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Title: Skills payment
Post by: Wrfc1206 on 08-03-18, 05:12PM
I have been told that only one person on a department can receive the skills payment.  Is this true? I am one of two wage clerks and the other one receives the extra payment.  Can they do this?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: fatboy on 08-03-18, 05:59PM
Skills payments haven't even been introduced yet.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: adamlad on 08-03-18, 06:03PM
I have heard of this can any one explain this does this apply to TL's or just skills like wages
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Preacherpauly on 08-03-18, 06:08PM
I have been told that only one person on a department can receive the skills payment.  Is this true? I am one of two wage clerks and the other one receives the extra payment.  Can they do this?

If you are both doing the same job then that cannot be right that only one gets this extra payment. Take it up with your union rep.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Wrfc1206 on 08-03-18, 06:27PM
Skills payments haven't even been introduced yet.

What I meant was wage clerks are a different pay grade to ga’s. 
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bukaku on 08-03-18, 06:31PM
Even if that was the case then BOTH wage clerks should be on the 'skills' payment.  Does anyone even know what they are possibly going to be because i beleve it has been adjourned numerous times because they cant agree on what the actual 'skills payment' will be and for who.

I have a feeling when it does come out it will divide a hell of a lot of people within. 
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Wrfc1206 on 08-03-18, 06:48PM
I’ve been doing the job for a few years and I think they’ve got round it by sitting me on the laundry department instead of wages.  Where do I go with it now?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Ulsterboy on 08-03-18, 06:50PM
Apparently the skills payment is finalised . Information embargoed , as is custom in this new transparent era.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bukaku on 08-03-18, 06:54PM
If you still do wages and you are indeed deserving of a higher rate, then I'd definitely call union. You cant pay one person (for example) £7  and the other £9 if both do the same job.

Regardless of the laundry (which is an extra job may I add) you still do that role. It's like saying here is 4 shift leaders but only one will be paid the shift leader wage and the rest of you are on CA.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bukaku on 08-03-18, 06:58PM
Apparently the skills payment is finalised . Information embargoed , as is custom in this new transparent era.

It will be a very interesting read to see where these skill payments actually are designated too. My bets express are going end up seeing them cause of the nature of the job. Uproar in the making!
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Preacherpauly on 08-03-18, 07:18PM
I’ve been doing the job for a few years and I think they’ve got round it by sitting me on the laundry department instead of wages.  Where do I go with it now?

I would go to your rep. You will be owed a couple of years of money depending on how much more the other clerk earns. They havent changed your job title over and I would be asking why.

If you are officially wages and thats your job role then I would be kicking off big time.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: m360 on 08-03-18, 07:37PM
Laundry department does have some hours allocated to it, the number depends on the size of your store, how big/busy your counters are etc.

If you spend more than 50% of your time actually doing wages (not laundry or admin routines) then raise it with your Stock/Admin manager and ask them to move you onto the wages department and wage clerk job code - this would put you on a D grade.

If they refuse, take out a grievance.

Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: lordadmiral on 08-03-18, 10:52PM
If you still do wages and you are indeed deserving of a higher rate, then I'd definitely call union. You cant pay one person (for example) £7  and the other £9 if both do the same job.


Two ppl doing same job can be paid diferent rates http://m.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4198 (http://m.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4198)
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Nomad on 09-03-18, 10:00AM
As usual with the law and ACAS that makes things crystal clear, NOT.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: londoner83 on 09-03-18, 05:52PM
If skills payment have indeed been agreed; I believe a bigger worry will be which existing higher paid areas will lose out.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bleh on 09-03-18, 07:13PM
They have been agreed I’ve seen the brief.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: m360 on 09-03-18, 08:01PM
Brief to colleagues commencing on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: lordadmiral on 09-03-18, 09:43PM
Im away . I m wonder what it will be said. Whos gaining n whos loosing.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bleh on 09-03-18, 10:15PM
Rates are pretty much staying the same, only real difference is it say a shift leader does overtime and there’s another shift leader / s/m on shift they don’t get the skill payment just the c/a base rate.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: tesc0H on 10-03-18, 03:38PM
From what i have read and learned over last few weeks. My understanding is that everyone will be on standard rate of £8.02 and then the skills payment is added to make up the rest of your current rate. Example current shift leader rate £9.83 so my base rate will be £8.02 and my skills payment will be £1.81 but we shall see next week....

Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: m360 on 10-03-18, 08:38PM
Correct.

Everyone paid at a B/C rate then skills payment applied to make it up to D, TL etc

Other interesting nugget is that all CSD staff will be paid a skill payment to equivalent of D grade.

No more having long service CSD staff on a D grade and everyone else on C
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Sam29 on 10-03-18, 08:56PM
I don’t suppose cash office assistant will get skill payment?  If that is right about desk getting D grade what happens when a person off  desk covers a day in cash office, they will be on more money.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Tornado on 10-03-18, 10:38PM
I do not understand, if the base rate is £8.02 for grade B/C then I have to ask whether the Level 1 to Level 5 are submitted to a different  rate of pay or kept at same base rate ? 
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: weebee on 11-03-18, 12:57AM
Sounds like another job for Leigh Day in the near future lol
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Hammer10 on 11-03-18, 02:21AM
Anyone know how it works for counters and bakers.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: kaled78 on 11-03-18, 07:37AM
so is there a list of jobs that get these skills payments?,didn't back door,cash office ect use to be on a higher grade than ga?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Preacherpauly on 11-03-18, 08:03AM
I dont see why back door should get any skill payment, what skill would they have.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: fatboy on 11-03-18, 08:09AM
Only skill back door staff have is the ability not to answer the phone no matter how long it rings for ;D
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: lucgeo on 11-03-18, 08:38AM
So does the old system go, whereby if you worked over 50% of your week on the higher grade, the higher grade payment was made for the whole week??

Didn't think cash office were ever on the D grade ???

If it's anything like our back door staff, they work in freezing conditions all winter, get called to all hands and rumble, and clean the yard out in the p**sing rain...they deserve the higher grade IMHO.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: kaled78 on 11-03-18, 08:58AM
just seen a colleage who's been with the company for years,he said there used to be a job title "backdoor checker" which was a higher grade than GA,but he believes the contracts were changed and they are now all just bagged as customer assistants,even though 99% of the time they don't even see any customers
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: lucgeo on 11-03-18, 09:04AM
And yet when they introduced the double decker delivery trucks, they didn't increase the grade?? Bit more to it now, than just dropping the door and rolling on and off  the cages?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: m360 on 11-03-18, 09:05AM
As far as I’m aware, all colleagues will get paid the same hourly rate.  The ones who work on departments that attract a D, E or F grade pay will then receive a skills payment to take them up to the equivalent of what they were receiving before.  There should be no overall change to the weekly take home pay.

CSD and combined desk will now all receive a skills payment to take them to a D grade equivalent.

I believe from now on, if you work more than 1 hour on a department where a skills payment would be paid, you’ll be entitled to receive the payment as well for the hours worked on that dept.

Cash office and back door are C grade so no skills payment.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: tescopleb on 11-03-18, 09:34AM
So on that basis, it could overtime,  become worthless? The premium is unaffected by any increase to take home pay and we know we are guaranteed a couple of payrises, so any future increase would need to be negotiated by the pay team as a separate item, every year. Unfortunately we also know they can't be trusted to look after everyone's interest.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: m360 on 11-03-18, 09:36AM
That is the concern - will the skills payment go up in future in line with basic pay at pay review?

A bit of an unknown at the moment.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bleh on 11-03-18, 09:46AM
Rates of pay:
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bleh on 11-03-18, 09:52AM
Questions & answers
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: FarmerFred on 11-03-18, 09:59AM
And yet when they introduced the double decker delivery trucks, they didn't increase the grade?? Bit more to it now, than just dropping the door and rolling on and off  the cages?
Backdoor has always been more than just opening doors & pulling cages - getting roll cages and dollies over a dock leveller requires skill to do safely - especially given the condition of the cages and the quality of stacking.  I could discourse at length about how backdoor warrants being a higher grade, but the reality is that those who decide these things are so disconnected from day to day operations that they just believe all the bullpoo that cages are always stacked to perfection & faulty cages would never get back into use without being repaired. They are only interested in coming up with these 'new' schemes that justify their existence at Tesco.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: FarmerFred on 11-03-18, 10:04AM
Only skill back door staff have is the ability not to answer the phone no matter how long it rings for ;D
We haven't had a phone for three years - whenever we have managed to get one it instantly gets purloined for other departments as  their need is allegedly greater than ours. Also worth remembering that if they do have a phone, maybe they are in the middle of getting a wagon on bay or offloading it or heaven forbid actually getting to take a break.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Tornado on 11-03-18, 10:12AM
Again, I have to ask with all this conversation based on "Grades"  why  "Levels" exist ? In my modest  understanding I see "Level" as an evolution or you move from one stage to another stage ? Am I wrong ? Then if exist an evolution or knowledge and you are classified is it that not a skill no matter which departments where the "Levels" exist ?
If there are different  "Levels" why not different pay ? Why is the company mentioning "Levels" ?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: FarmerFred on 11-03-18, 10:47AM
I dont see why back door should get any skill payment, what skill would they have.
Quite a lot based on the fact that we are the only ones in our store who know the difference between cardboard and plastic, understand that balancing cardboard on the top of a cage won't work, have the ability to count to 5 for strapping silvers up or can put waste in the correct cages and not mix the different tray types... oh and the ability to deal with the a***holes who treat us like we're a bunch of knuckle dragging morons. Come and work backdoor with me for a couple of months and you'll soon discover what skills are needed - and yes I have worked other departments so I do have some idea what I am on about.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: the-vortex on 11-03-18, 11:09AM
Questions & answers

This is very interesting and no real surprise. Is it officially meant to be embargoed until Tuesday?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Loki on 11-03-18, 11:13AM
Dear me. It gets worse. No difference in pay, just split so as to only give a so called pay rise (if applicable) on base rate alone without having to place any increase on skill payment... much like the current night Premiums.

And Usdaw and National Forum agreed to this!

Despicable!

Not what they implied to begin with at all. This is terrible.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bleh on 11-03-18, 11:23AM
Disgusting how they can now pay someone less for covering an overtime shift too, why should they drop to a c/a hourly rate when this has never been the case before surely this is a change of contract and compensation of some sort should be paid.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: the-vortex on 11-03-18, 11:33AM
That wasn't how I read it first time, Bleh! Then I re-read it and you're right! At least it'll stop TLs doing GA roles on overtime! It is good that doing overtime in an SP role will get you the SP (all of 41p/h!). See I found a (the) positive!

Isn't it funny how all the negative suspicions people had around SPs are all there though?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bleh on 11-03-18, 11:40AM
It’s a cost cutting excersise I just don’t grasp how they can change someone’s terms and conditions like that, I for one will still pay my shift leaders the full rate on overtime, just disgusts me.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Loki on 11-03-18, 11:41AM
Previous pay deals were bad enough, including the recent one.

However, this is a different ball game altogether. I’m just at a loss for words with this. It’s outrageous!
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Loki on 11-03-18, 11:44AM
It’s a cost cutting excersise I just don’t grasp how they can change someone’s terms and conditions like that, I for one will still pay my shift leaders the full rate on overtime, just disgusts me.

They’ll use the usual pay deal negotiating mechanism that stores come under, however, like you say, it’s a huge change and is subject to detriment in the long run.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Hammer10 on 11-03-18, 12:02PM
So bakers that are skilled are getting another pay cut  90 p an hour to be exact how is that attracting staff that are skilled so in the past 2 years I have had my wages slashed by having no double time anymore that's 130 pounds a month now another 144 pounds to be slashed what a bunch of xxxxxxxxxx how about the upper snobby b*****ds taking a cut .
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Hammer10 on 11-03-18, 12:04PM
So what about the pay rise negotiated last year surely they cannot change the rules just like that.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: tescopleb on 11-03-18, 12:09PM
Simply proves that the current pay negotiation model is no longer fit for purpose and needs to be challenged
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Loki on 11-03-18, 12:09PM
It was part of it but not finalised  >:(
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: AlexM on 11-03-18, 02:18PM
Good luck to anyone trying to work that payslip out...

Also, it seems that anyone asked to cover a team support for their break will not receive the skills payment as their breaks are after shorter than the times specified in the Q&A?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Jethro on 11-03-18, 02:32PM
So bakers that are skilled are getting another pay cut  90 p an hour to be exact how is that attracting staff that are skilled so in the past 2 years I have had my wages slashed by having no double time anymore that's 130 pounds a month now another 144 pounds to be slashed what a bunch of xxxxxxxxxx how about the upper snobby b*****ds taking a cut .

How are you getting a 90p pay cut,  you still get 8.92 an hour, when the skills payment is added?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Hammer10 on 11-03-18, 02:39PM
Because at the moment we get 9.75 an hour which includes market supplement.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Rad on 11-03-18, 02:52PM
The pay review was communicated in black and white to colleagues.  With pay tables etc.  The future pay rises for shift leaders etc after November 2018 will only be on the colleague element of their rate. 

Poor show from Tesco.  It really is. 

Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Welshie on 11-03-18, 02:59PM
Sounds exactly like night shift.  Pay rise on basic rate but not night premiums, as many have said , a cost cutting exercise.  If night shift did overtime on days they only got basic rate so why would someone in a "skilled" job get a higher rate when doing overtime in a ca's job . I think this falls in line with the other changes the company has made , no double time for sundays , no overtime rate . Its about having people foing the same job being on the same rate . If nothing else they are being consistent in their cuts !
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Rad on 11-03-18, 03:07PM
I think its very harsh on express shift leaders in particular who were offered a job at a specific rate of pay. 

Then Tesco come and tell them that they will only receive a pay rise on part of the hourly rate.  Being a team leader, shift leader, team support...whatever the role has been called has never included a premium or split element of their pay.

It's just not right. 

Tesco have made a lot of tough choices to save the company.  Some we agree with, a lot we dont.

This one is very poor.  I'll wait for the official brief though. 
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: tesc0H on 11-03-18, 03:26PM
I think its very harsh on express shift leaders in particular who were offered a job at a specific rate of pay. 

Then Tesco come and tell them that they will only receive a pay rise on part of the hourly rate.  Being a team leader, shift leader, team support...whatever the role has been called has never included a premium or split element of their pay.

It's just not right. 

Tesco have made a lot of tough choices to save the company.  Some we agree with, a lot we dont.

This one is very poor.  I'll wait for the official brief though. 

Don;t see the logic on this whole skill payment c**p. Just a way to cut costs. What about when there is a payrise i hope the skills payment is increased too. I am a shift leader and for the work we have to do and also the extra workload thrown in on a random basis is not enough the equivalent in pay.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Preacherpauly on 11-03-18, 05:00PM
And yet when they introduced the double decker delivery trucks, they didn't increase the grade?? Bit more to it now, than just dropping the door and rolling on and off  the cages?
Backdoor has always been more than just opening doors & pulling cages - getting roll cages and dollies over a dock leveller requires skill to do safely - especially given the condition of the cages and the quality of stacking.  I could discourse at length about how backdoor warrants being a higher grade, but the reality is that those who decide these things are so disconnected from day to day operations that they just believe all the bullpoo that cages are always stacked to perfection & faulty cages would never get back into use without being repaired. They are only interested in coming up with these 'new' schemes that justify their existence at Tesco.

You are not the only ones who have to deal with faulty and poorly stacked cages. The back door person wheels them off the lift then the night crew have to drag it in to where it belongs. Like I said, I don't think back door is a skilled job.

The upper management need to obviously train staff in the depo how to load and stack as a lot of waste happens because its so poor.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Rubydubydoo on 11-03-18, 08:19PM
So will we still receive the pay increase that was communicated to us last year ?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: lordadmiral on 11-03-18, 09:25PM
I think its very harsh on express shift leaders in particular who were offered a job at a specific rate of pay. 

Then Tesco come and tell them that they will only receive a pay rise on part of the hourly rate.  Being a team leader, shift leader, team support...whatever the role has been called has never included a premium or split element of their pay.

It's just not right. 

Tesco have made a lot of tough choices to save the company.  Some we agree with, a lot we dont.

This one is very poor.  I'll wait for the official brief though. 

Don;t see the logic on this whole skill payment c**p. Just a way to cut costs. What about when there is a payrise i hope the skills payment is increased too. I am a shift leader and for the work we have to do and also the extra workload thrown in on a random basis is not enough the equivalent in pay.
Its pure cost cutting. Just image yourself a situation if premiums were based on x percent of hourly rate. Keeping them flat company doesnt have to increase it for years.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: notsofunny on 12-03-18, 12:53AM


how will A CA get paid if they are covering a 15/30 min break , if as it seems they only get paid in lump  of 60 min , also when a Shift runner has to stay on or come in to cover a  CA being late or phoning in sick  would they want to do that if they will only get a lower rate , Or will the new system still allow Managers to input as they want ,,,

All its Great not to worry about it any more  :)
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: the-vortex on 12-03-18, 01:25AM
So will we still receive the pay increase that was communicated to us last year ?

Yes. This was part of that deal. No-one will be worse off during the term of the 2017 paydeal.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bleh on 12-03-18, 10:06AM
Nobody will be worst off?! Tell that to those people’s terms and conditions and hourly rates that are now effectively dropping.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Hammer10 on 12-03-18, 10:45AM
Mass exodus of bakers leaving .
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: InstoreGhost on 12-03-18, 10:51AM
I find it interesting that CSD and combined desk will all move to D grade.  What exactly do they do different to most colleagues-especially those in Express that can do click and collect, parcel+ and paypoint, lottery, and in many cases are trusted to do refunds/exchanges and generally deal with most customer complaints.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: woody505 on 12-03-18, 11:46AM
wines and spirits advisor? what extra training or extra skills do they do?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Mr Grumpy on 12-03-18, 11:49AM
All the bakers at my old store are ALL in the middle of interviews with other companies to leave after getting wind of this, its the straw that broke the camels back for the skilled staff like butchers & bakers......
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: .....1 on 12-03-18, 12:36PM
instoreGhost- actually the csd staff in stores that have the banking operation do have a lot of responsibility it’s the same with money gram. You only need to complete the training to see just how staff need to keep their wits about them to prevent money laundering ect. And failure to report any Suspicious Activity can result in a fine or even a prison sentence. Now that desks are becoming combined and old kiosk staff are expected to pick up extra work I think it’s only right they or put on the same rate. It’s someghing I’ve been calling for for a while. Coming from a store where we have a comebined department of historic D grade staff and then everyone else on c it caused a great divide.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Rumblerumble on 12-03-18, 01:20PM
Is there a start date for this?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: lucgeo on 12-03-18, 02:09PM
Seriously ??? ???

Dot com picking support and dot com delivery support are the two highest paid positions in the store??  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: 123ttt on 12-03-18, 04:24PM
Yeah there is a ton of legal stuff behind the scenes in Dotcom that the team support are accountable for in the absence of the manager. Never mind the biggest head count are in the store
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: notsofunny on 12-03-18, 05:01PM
I find it interesting that CSD and combined desk will all move to D grade.  What exactly do they do different to most colleagues-especially those in Express that can do click and collect, parcel+ and paypoint, lottery, and in many cases are trusted to do refunds/exchanges and generally deal with most customer complaints.

Add to those you have listed, Do cash collections, change labels, tip delivery , Do bake off ,and all for the same hourly wage,
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: lucgeo on 12-03-18, 06:22PM
Yeah there is a ton of legal stuff behind the scenes in Dotcom that the team support are accountable for in the absence of the manager. Never mind the biggest head count are in the store

Well in the absence of the manager, they should then get a skills payment, for that length of time!

The amount of staff, and managers, that are called on weekly to do picks, to support our dot com dept is ludicrous :-X :-X
 
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Weed on 12-03-18, 06:37PM
I would do dotcomedy for £20/hour  :P
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: the-vortex on 12-03-18, 06:52PM
Nobody will be worst off?! Tell that to those people’s terms and conditions and hourly rates that are now effectively dropping.

No-one's hourly rate will be less than that communicated in July last year (it's immediately under the title  of the table of hourly rates and SPs). What happens after that is anyone's guess, of course.

Everybody - all your questions and complaints can be asked at the Briefing you should be getting when this is officially released tomorrow.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Equalizer87 on 12-03-18, 07:29PM
Asked, but probably not answered.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: grrrr on 12-03-18, 08:00PM
It would be nice if there were an offer of redundancy! I wouldn't think twice.   8)

As a skilled baker I have been hit hard - what with the loss of double time for Sunday's and bank holidays, time and half overtime and now lower paid overtime when worked on other departments (which I do to make up for the money I have lost), I am worried to think what is next?........at a guess slashing of holiday entitlement and sick pay?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Mr Grumpy on 13-03-18, 08:45AM
"Grrrrr" from what the bakers said companies are crying out for bakers thats why all of them have got interviews.

The big T has no interest apart from eroding all the inconvenient staff that they have to pay.

GET OUT!!
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Weed on 13-03-18, 12:00PM
Mr Grumpy  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: kaled78 on 13-03-18, 04:56PM
the briefing books about skills payment,were delivered to our store today via tnt,but the Tm grabbed them and hid them away under lock and key,no-one has had any briefings in my store today,has anyone sneaked a peak or been briefed?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Hammer10 on 13-03-18, 05:45PM
Nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Blue_Eyes on 13-03-18, 07:11PM
So team support and shift leaders are now glorified colleagues with a little extra money? Its going to be a nightmare working out rates of pay on the slips. Does this mean when applying for finance the 'skills payment' classes as a premium payment? and the base hourly rate needs to be given? No official briefing has happened, only booklets.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: GDP1980 on 13-03-18, 07:58PM
I am intrigued with that too as I do a fair amount of overtime whether in your store or a local store sometimes as Checkout team support and sometimes Dotcom picking.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Rad on 13-03-18, 11:30PM
If you do overtime in a job that doesnt get skills payment you will be paid the basic colleague rate of pay. Eg baker works on a till or on bread and cakes as overtime only gets the basic ga rate.

Checkout team support working overtime as a cashier only gets cashier rate.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Equalizer87 on 14-03-18, 12:56AM
Hopefully colleagues are aware that if they are only being paid to do the basic job (cashier, filling etc) then that's all they do for that shift. I can imagine a Shift Leader or Team Support wouldn't be so lucky and will be expected to continue performing as an SL or TS.

It will go down like a lead balloon.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bleh on 14-03-18, 07:26AM
This was already posted days ago? lol
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Tornado on 14-03-18, 11:30AM
I do not understand, if the base rate is £8.02 for grade B/C then I have to ask whether the Level 1 to Level 5 are submitted to a different  rate of pay or kept at same base rate ?
Any answers about this issue ?  ??? Maybe no clue and just talk talk to carry on the frustrations of working in Tesco.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Loki on 14-03-18, 12:25PM
Any stores had their official brief?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Hammer10 on 14-03-18, 12:58PM
Yes .i am not to worried.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Kimberly11 on 14-03-18, 01:51PM
This ‘skills payment’ is very confusing.. to me it just looks like the banding that already exists? 
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: claden on 14-03-18, 02:46PM
Nice for Customer Service Desk Assistants getting a pay rise. Ordinary cashier need to make sure they don't go and cover for less pay.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Plato on 14-03-18, 05:16PM
No briefing in my store. Denial of anything on comms or any leaflets arriving in store. Information appeared on Yammer, then disappeared ( strange that ). Think many staff will be disgruntled and refuse to cover an area where their skills payment does not apply.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: dfl on 14-03-18, 06:03PM
I'd heard this would be backdated for some period prior to now, has anyone heard this ?

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Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: sadoldman on 14-03-18, 06:22PM
if you go on to Tesco bakery  on Facebook a lot of staff have already had there booklet  all staff will be  on £8 and 2 pence a hour  the rest will be made up of skill payment 
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Bleh on 14-03-18, 08:47PM
Until they do overtime in a non skilled role and end up on the basic ca wage.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Wandy on 14-03-18, 10:05PM
This ‘skills payment’ is very confusing.. to me it just looks like the banding that already exists?

Absolutely I’m on this described ‘new’ skills payment amount  already 🤔not new for me!!
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: tescopleb on 14-03-18, 10:18PM
What are the chances of getting Leigh Day to examine the legalities of the skills payment with a view to challenging it -  team support already get a higher rate of pay fully consolidated so if I'm understand this correctly isn't this a contract change
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: WorkingMummy on 14-03-18, 10:56PM
I haven’t been briefed yet but it sounds to me like everyone will get one base rate topped up with a skills payment. I think it’s so that next time they give us a payrise they can say it’s increase by X%. So lower grades will get the full X% payrise, anyone else won’t get the payrise on the skills payment part of their pay if that makes sense?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Sam29 on 15-03-18, 07:17AM
It’s mostly to do with all desk staff getting same grade instead of some being paid more than the others.it also allows people who cover breaks for team support and desk to get paid the same rather than less. If you do same job why should you get less.
I still think cash office is a skilled area you can’t just get anyone in there, I’m always sorting errors out and with no manager or team leader it’s hard going.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: dfl on 15-03-18, 10:32AM
I asked as seperate question and it's now been merged so need to ask it again.

1) Some staff seem to already have been getting paid this increased rate for a couple of months now so has this payment officially already been running for some months.

2) I'd heard rumours that this skills payment would be backdated but if the above questions answer is that it was already being paid then no backdating will be due.

Can anyone confirm or enlighten me on the above

Thanks folks.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: jimos87 on 15-03-18, 02:54PM
I find it interesting that CSD and combined desk will all move to D grade.  What exactly do they do different to most colleagues-especially those in Express that can do click and collect, parcel+ and paypoint, lottery, and in many cases are trusted to do refunds/exchanges and generally deal with most customer complaints.

One of the things that the CSD does in an extra store that is different is, financial transactions which require is to comply with strict legislation where we are individually at risk of criminal proceedings if we fail to do it properly.  Until you experience what we do yourself it's hard to explain why it's different.  Many people who have come from checkouts, for example, are shocked by the amount of work the desk actually has to do.  It doesn't help now they have also dumped direct on us as well.  We don't do Paypoint because the competition commission ruled against role out. I agree that all CSD staff should be paid the same it didn't make sense dropping people down to C in the first place.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: the-vortex on 15-03-18, 04:57PM
the briefing books about skills payment,were delivered to our store today via tnt,but the Tm grabbed them and hid them away under lock and key,no-one has had any briefings in my store today,has anyone sneaked a peak or been briefed?

You may want to mention to your TM that the changes came into effect yesterday.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: the-vortex on 15-03-18, 05:00PM
Hopefully colleagues are aware that if they are only being paid to do the basic job (cashier, filling etc) then that's all they do for that shift. I can imagine a Shift Leader or Team Support wouldn't be so lucky and will be expected to continue performing as an SL or TS.

It will go down like a lead balloon.

There's no reason to be hopeful! Just make sure everyone gets the booklet and demands a full briefing.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: the-vortex on 15-03-18, 05:04PM
I asked as seperate question and it's now been merged so need to ask it again.

1) Some staff seem to already have been getting paid this increased rate for a couple of months now so has this payment officially already been running for some months.

2) I'd heard rumours that this skills payment would be backdated but if the above questions answer is that it was already being paid then no backdating will be due.

Can anyone confirm or enlighten me on the above

Thanks folks.

No-one has been getting this payment for any amount of time. The people in grade D, E, F etc were paid the higher rate as their normal contracted pay. They went to that particular amount in the first element of the 2017 paydeal in November last.
There's no back pay because this is just a splitting out of standard rate and the Skills Payment to total exactly the same as before.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: dfl on 15-03-18, 05:56PM
I see, makes a difference now tho that any standard rises will only apply to part of it.

Thanks
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: notsofunny on 15-03-18, 06:07PM
the briefing books about skills payment,were delivered to our store today via tnt,but the Tm grabbed them and hid them away under lock and key,no-one has had any briefings in my store today,has anyone sneaked a peak or been briefed?

You may want to mention to your TM that the changes came into effect yesterday.

Seems a few at Express have still not been updated as to what it all actually means or been told any thing about it  8-) Having had a few phone calls to ask me had to refer them to this site  :)
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: notsofunny on 15-03-18, 06:19PM
Hopefully colleagues are aware that if they are only being paid to do the basic job (cashier, filling etc) then that's all they do for that shift. I can imagine a Shift Leader or Team Support wouldn't be so lucky and will be expected to continue performing as an SL or TS.

It will go down like a lead balloon.

There's no reason to be hopeful! Just make sure everyone gets the booklet and demands a full briefing.

Since  D/Ms in Express  got made redundant  last year they have found them self's still doing everything they did before but for a lower pay, so I still see them and anyone else carrying on doing it even if they are getting paid C/A pay  8-)

Just wondering , If this would effect those that made the drop down In express from A d/m to Sift runner role, since they did so in moving from one fixed pay to another ? If it does then its just another slap in the face ,
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Equalizer87 on 15-03-18, 08:52PM
Hopefully colleagues are aware that if they are only being paid to do the basic job (cashier, filling etc) then that's all they do for that shift. I can imagine a Shift Leader or Team Support wouldn't be so lucky and will be expected to continue performing as an SL or TS.

It will go down like a lead balloon.

There's no reason to be hopeful! Just make sure everyone gets the booklet and demands a full briefing.

Another great example of missing the point.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: fillious fogg on 20-03-18, 09:33AM
Has anyone had any communication from usdaw yet?
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: gomezz on 20-03-18, 10:04AM
Not even had any communication from my management yet.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Olivia Pope on 20-03-18, 11:09AM
Hi , there is no back payment around skills payment, for the Shift Leaders in Express the total pay is the same but divided now into base rate and skill payment. For ‘step ups’ they will be paid if they cover a full 60 mins in one go. Currently the Esso site step ups receive £2 per hour extra this will remain until 1st July when they will then move to the agreed skills payment. For DMs who moved to SL exactly the same - base rate and  skills payment as they are SLs. Large format all skills payment starts now .
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Buddah on 20-03-18, 03:00PM
Hi,

Regarding the csd skills payment. Seems wrong to me that it wont be backdated, mainly because some staff on the desk are already on this rate of pay - it's not a brand new payment for everyone.  In some stores you could have 2 members of staff on the desk on 2 different rates of pay for doing the same job!  In our store which is fairly new, we actually opened as a combined desk so have been doing this job role for a few years now.   It seems like Tesco are admitting that yes everyone on the desk should be on the same rate of pay despite when you joined - I just think its right that it should be backdated - just my opinion  8-)
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Olivia Pope on 20-03-18, 07:28PM
When they realigned the CSD grade anyone already on a grade D remained new starters grade C - now they have reviewed and the CSD role has evolved it returns to a grade D from 8/4/18, no backpay will be paid
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: tescopleb on 20-03-18, 07:42PM
Im still of the view that the split in team support pay is tantamount to contract change? Whilst the total amount paid isn't changing the way it's calculated is - rather than being paid a single rate its now divided into basic pay and skill payment which can be manipulated especially when working in other departments. Additionally any payrise made on top of the established rate for the grade now it will need to be a separate item on the pay agenda and there are no guarantees as yet that the skills payment will rise along with basic pay. In short this is possibly the equivalent of a pay cut for team supports. Usdaw have once again let down its members.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: madness on 20-03-18, 07:42PM
To clear a few things up. Cashiers covering desk for less than 60 minutes will not get the increased rate. Anymore time than that and they will get the extra pay for the full time there. So cover an hours lunch you get the extra payment. 45 minutes no extra.

The base rate of pay is the same for everyone and rises the same for everyone. So the extra payment will become a less % of your overall pay.

If team support come in for a checkout overtime shift they will get checkout pay. But if they then cover the actual team support role for more than 60 mins in that shift they will get the extra payment for it.

Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: weebee on 20-03-18, 09:09PM
seems to be a bit complicated in places,typical tescos cant do anything simple and straight forwrd
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: tescopleb on 21-03-18, 12:35AM
That's precisely the point, if your contracted rate is xyz then you get paid xyz regardless but by altering someone's terms and conditions by changing the way it's calculated you are  in effect changing someone's contract to their detriment.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Welshie on 21-03-18, 07:54AM
@tescospleb.  No guarantee you skill payment won't go up ??

I'd put my house on it, it will be like night premiums which never go up now and haven't gone up in line with the pay rise percentage for many years.
Title: Re: Skills payment
Post by: Nomad on 21-03-18, 10:59AM
http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=16356.msg208978#msg208978 (http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=16356.msg208978#msg208978)

Please used the above thread to discuss skills payment as it is the older thread.  I would merge them but the intermingling could render them nonsensical.

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