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Title: Job losses
Post by: Zlatan_is_a_red on 09-01-17, 05:59PM
http://news.sky.com/story/tesco-axing-500-jobs-in-distribution-centre-shake-up-10723430 (http://news.sky.com/story/tesco-axing-500-jobs-in-distribution-centre-shake-up-10723430)

500 jobs to lost in depo shake up, who saw this one coming? Is the worst still to come in the year?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 09-01-17, 06:11PM
BBC reporting 1000 job losses.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: his scots tie on 09-01-17, 06:12PM
1000 job losses, but creating 500 jobs at 2 dcs
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fatty on 09-01-17, 06:12PM
Another link. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/tesco-job-cuts-1000-redundant-distribution-centres-a7517946.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/tesco-job-cuts-1000-redundant-distribution-centres-a7517946.html)
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Mr Grumpy on 09-01-17, 06:26PM
...and Project Pace continues  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 09-01-17, 06:28PM
Certainly is Project Pace. And many doubted it as a mere study.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: bulspit on 09-01-17, 06:35PM
chesterfield d.c. told it is to close in June ! 
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: OpShunned on 09-01-17, 06:42PM
Certainly is Project Pace. And many doubted it as a mere study.

Just 38,000 further job cuts to be announced then?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/26/tesco-considering-cutting-store-staff-by-39000-over-three-years (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/26/tesco-considering-cutting-store-staff-by-39000-over-three-years)
[Friday 26 February 2016 18.26 GMT]

'Bring It On' Drastic
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: optout on 09-01-17, 06:44PM
And where is the Bat Man......Ahem...Usdaw during all of this :question: :question: :question:
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 09-01-17, 06:45PM
1000 job losses, but creating 500 jobs at 2 dcs

I believe the new roles the "News" is reporting are the work level 1 operational roles that will replace the Redundant management positions.
These role will be across all remaining DC not just 2.

I am struggling with the Numbers to be honest.

2 DC's close
All remaining DC's lose half of their Managers.
1,000 is conservative I think.

Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: picktocube on 09-01-17, 06:57PM
I think that they are hoping that some staff from the closing DCs will transfer to other DCs .
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: bulspit on 09-01-17, 07:03PM
nearest D.C.'s to Chesterfield are over an hour away in travelling time on a good day !
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: OpShunned on 09-01-17, 07:04PM
Dave is getting savvy with getting the news out there as soon as, rather than it being leaked via 'other' sources.  8-)
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: optout on 09-01-17, 07:04PM
Opshunned

'project pace' was leaked to the Guardian at the time from this site  >:D
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 09-01-17, 07:10PM
For the cynics, I hate to say I told you so. I heard of these moves a long way back but although pressurized and having my mental state questioned by others on this site I was unable to state where I got this information as it would have made me identifiable. I am in fact pleased that is out in the open now and I am looking forward to reading others thoughts and comments.
I don't believe the information disclosed today is the end of it and I agree with Duracell I think 1,000 is a very conservative number.  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: AlexM on 09-01-17, 07:13PM
We all know that Deputies in express are going. Surprised that hasn't made the news as there must be over 3000 of those shops (that's what I got told when I worked there).
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: picktocube on 09-01-17, 07:14PM
nearest D.C.'s to Chesterfield are over an hour away in travelling time on a good day !
 

The same for Welham Green ,but it depends on wether you want to move or you already live in that direction . WG is an old DC with people who have been with the company for a long time . I think most of them will take the redundancy.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 09-01-17, 07:16PM
I heard Tesco had a total of 2600 stores nationwide across all formats. Needless to say, more pain will be coming.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: The Guvnor on 09-01-17, 07:20PM
Is Welham Green the last Tesco DC with the old Blue Book agreement or had it changed in recent years?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: JL on 09-01-17, 07:21PM
I heard Tesco had a total of 2600 stores nationwide across all formats. Needless to say, more pain will be coming.

No pain no gain
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 09-01-17, 07:23PM
The only gain from this hacking and slashing culture is bigger paychecks for the fat cats, us mortals on the front lines will get f*** all
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: picktocube on 09-01-17, 07:24PM
Is Welham Green the last Tesco DC with the old Blue Book agreement or had it changed in recent years?

 

Still blue book ,with all the old agreements
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: JL on 09-01-17, 07:26PM
The redundancy money will be good
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: The Guvnor on 09-01-17, 07:33PM
Thanks Pick to cube. 
Take the money and run. Weybridge was on the Blue Book agreement but voted out of it but kept the Tand C's with regards to the redundancy agreement.
Sadly Welham's days have always been numbered.
Best wishes to all. There is life after Tesco.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Couldntpossiblysay on 09-01-17, 07:42PM
The biggest laugh,if that's the the right term,is hearing staff being lectured on unfounded rumours being spread. As usual everybody is pleading ignorance but to keep denying what this site has been correctly saying for months makes tesco look ridiculous and callous. If they had at least given better warnings that could at least given staff affected some time to look elsewhere for employment. To see how far this company has fallen is gutwrenching. So many staff didn't want to believe it. They do know. He wasn't nicknamed drastic Dave for nothing. There are so many managers at breaking point while the favoured few swan about. Time to bail out if you can although easier said than done.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: viva la vida on 09-01-17, 08:01PM
Magor is on the old t&cs. As we serve the South West and Wales we should be ok. Distances from reading are too far and the fact that they have taken W. Green volume will work in our favour.  Reading can't cope with what they have now. We'll probably get more work off them.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: redcar renegade on 09-01-17, 08:39PM
Can I just say to the people in the depots closing heartfelt sympathy for been treated in such a way by Tesco. For those of us left let's hope there are no more closures in pipeline but I doubt it, 553 jobs to be created at D. C'S to make up for the closures reading The Telegraph article sounds like Daventry to benefit most. Middlesbrough to get most of general merchandise but don't think anymore jobs
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: JL on 09-01-17, 08:46PM
DAVEntry will benefit the most
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 09-01-17, 09:36PM
 >:("533 jobs to be created" baring in mind what has been announced today does anybody buy that statement, I do not
I truly believe that these 533 jobs are basically job titles that are being created, I believe the people filling these job titles will simply be doing the work of the people who Tosco have decided to get rid of, for example the podium monkey positions. I believe the change of title is just a way of legalising making higher paid personnel redundant.
As I have stated before I believe Tosco's aim is for a majority of it's staff to be on a more flexible contract offering less hours.
I believe the new SYA and SYP policies have been designed purely as an aid to help them get rid of, as described by Mr B, the 5% deadwood and more.
Following today, despite it being expected, I will find it hard to believe anything Tosco ever say.  >:(

             "WHAT UNION"  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: OpShunned on 09-01-17, 09:48PM
A Tesco spokesman said that in total 444 jobs would be lost at Welham Green, 207 jobs  will be axed at Chesterfield and 364 head office roles will go as part of the restructuring.

Seems to be a disproportionate amount of jobs going at Head Office? Have they already made preparation for 'other' jobs to go very quickly, negating the need for those folk at Head Office who have been earmarked for the chop?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 09-01-17, 10:27PM
Magor is on the old t&cs. As we serve the South West and Wales we should be ok. Distances from reading are too far and the fact that they have taken W. Green volume will work in our favour.  Reading can't cope with what they have now. We'll probably get more work off them.

I wouldn't count your chickens too soon , the fact is that grocery network is operating at less than 50% capacity, so there is plenty of scope to move volume and the grocery network and close at least another 2 DC's .

If you read the announcement properly, you will see that it is worded, wave 1 phase 2, so this would suggest further changes are imminent... so watch this space
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: lackofinterest on 09-01-17, 10:37PM
1000 job losses, but creating 500 jobs at 2 dcs
probably another 500 part time flexi contracts or agency!!! another cost cutting exercise without a doubt!!!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: lackofinterest on 09-01-17, 10:38PM
 
Certainly is Project Pace. And many doubted it as a mere study.
study my arse >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 09-01-17, 10:41PM
Can I just say to the people in the depots closing heartfelt sympathy for been treated in such a way by Tesco. For those of us left let's hope there are no more closures in pipeline but I doubt it, 553 jobs to be created at D. C'S to make up for the closures reading The Telegraph article sounds like Daventry to benefit most. Middlesbrough to get most of general merchandise but don't think anymore jobs

Let's be honest about the mattr(a trait that is clearly alien to DL, MD, AW, ST et al) , the majority of the 533 jobs created will go to agency workers, and those that don't will be given to people  on employed on less favourable t&c's
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: lackofinterest on 09-01-17, 10:59PM
nail on the head!!! >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 09-01-17, 11:02PM
Certainly is Project Pace. And many doubted it as a mere study.
study my arse >:(

I was referring to those who just claimed it was a "study" . I think now it's becoming more and more obvious, it's the plan, not a study.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: lackofinterest on 09-01-17, 11:15PM
i was just agreeing with you equaliser. my comment was aimed at tosco not you :)
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Stencho on 10-01-17, 12:14AM
People got made redundant in November. Full time positions redundant ,the jobs offered were mostly 16 and 22 hours. The figures tesco quote may seem OK but they are manipulated, ( surprise surprise).
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 10-01-17, 12:23AM
"We have been speaking to colleagues from all sites about what these changes will mean for them, and we will continue to do all we can to support them at this time."

Yet more lies from MD , lots of rumours, hearsay, and scaremongering but no actual facts .

He's making a list,
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice.
M@@@ D@@@@s is coming to town....!!!!!!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 10-01-17, 12:38AM
People got made redundant in November. Full time positions redundant ,the jobs offered were mostly 16 and 22 hours. The figures tesco quote may seem OK but they are manipulated, ( surprise surprise).

And they probably won't be the last, that's the sad reality.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: alf on 10-01-17, 06:09AM
Welcome to the future of *traditional* retail.

Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: forrestgimp on 10-01-17, 06:11AM
One wonders how much the bloated management will be affected by this or will it once again be grass roots blue collar workers who bear the brunt of redundancies.

Also how many of the 500 new jobs will be for the existing tesco colleagues or will they be in the form of contractor jobs?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Tom Hardy on 10-01-17, 07:07AM
We were told in our store that if they closed at Midnight & moved all night staff to twilight's they wouldn't be able to deliver the stock during the open times. Maybe with these new DC's that will pave the way for that :question:

Good luck to all those this affects  :'(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Minnie Mouse on 10-01-17, 08:56AM
We were told that the night shift WILL not be going in our store as SM says we won't be going to twilight and that was said by the union rep, think he believes everything SM tells him ;D and as we don't have enough space between aisles or enough tiles either, don't think I will hold my breath  ;D
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 10-01-17, 09:22AM
"317 new jobs created through a management restructure."

Yet again, more lies and spin from MD, there may be 317 new roles created by the management restructure i.e. replacing work level 2 colleagues  with work level 1 colleagues , but there certainly won't be any new jobs created.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Zlatan_is_a_red on 10-01-17, 09:39AM
The future certainly is not bright..i fear for the cull of full time contracts!!  a company which is in debt of around £18 billion? Pension deficits of £5.8 billion? How does Dave Lewis claw back that money!!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: belfast driver on 10-01-17, 10:33AM
Is Welham Green the last Tesco DC with the old Blue Book agreement or had it changed in recent years?

Belfast still on blue book. Been talk of a new depot for a long time but this has never happened.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 10-01-17, 11:11AM
The future certainly is not bright..i fear for the cull of full time contracts!!  a company which is in debt of around £18 billion? Pension deficits of £5.8 billion? How does Dave Lewis claw back that money!!

Totally agree  :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 10-01-17, 11:36AM
"One has to hope it's not cost-driven and is naturally occurring, given their better operation in stores," he said.

"Taking away depots and logistics flexibility whilst also taking store night-fill away could leave things very tight indeed."

And this is the reaction of market analysts.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fatboy on 10-01-17, 02:51PM
I'm a CDD & wondering if anyone knows the answer to the following. I currently have a full time contract & was wondering, if Tosco did eventually get rid of all full time contracts & reduced my hours, but then got more drivers or multi skillers to cover the difference, would this be legal?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 10-01-17, 02:57PM
We're in Sh*t Street, but I don't know the number.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 10-01-17, 03:08PM
@ fatboy

I'm not sure, although a change of contract from FT to PT would definitely trigger redundancy. I can only assume that Tesco would recruit new PT drivers to replace FT drivers as they could try to class as a new job opportunity.

I'm not 100%, but this route wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: picktocube on 10-01-17, 04:36PM
You would think that if Tesco wanted everyone to be on part-time or flexi contracts ,then they would stop taking on people on full-time contracts . But,there are still jobs being advertised  at stores which are 36.5 hours a week . These jobs are all on the Tesco website and cover a range of positions.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Mungo on 10-01-17, 04:43PM
Certainly is more to come..I don't think many people are safe.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 10-01-17, 05:10PM
You would think that if Tesco wanted everyone to be on part-time or flexi contracts ,then they would stop taking on people on full-time contracts . But,there are still jobs being advertised  at stores which are 36.5 hours a week . These jobs are all on the Tesco website and cover a range of positions.

There was recruitment for TL positions still going on right up until they announced the abolition of the role and push through the Shift Leader role.
The normal operations will keep going right up til the very end and that includes recruiting.
Since FT role account for around 10% of the work force it's would be very easy to turn on these contracts.

Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: baldeagle on 10-01-17, 05:39PM
Snodland DC transport not going over to Tesco, but being put out to tender. Can anybody let me Know if this is the case at the unity depot run by DHL. many thanks
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: tasha66 on 10-01-17, 07:58PM
What a horrible company.  They will do anything to increase profits all at the expense of employees.  You can thank the corruptness of those at the top fudging figures only to get caught which created a lack of trust in the company.

Its not over by a long shot in my opinion.  Southampton, Hinckley are next with some major restructure just because the colleagues earn way to much money.  Its as simple as that I believe.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 10-01-17, 09:11PM
You're right Tasha66, it's as simple as that, a cost cutting exercise with no thought at all for anybody who gets burnt in the process and no great thought as to what happens to the company following this exercise, as pointed out previously the people responsible will have had their cheques and be long gone before the consequences will be felt.   >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: The Guvnor on 10-01-17, 11:56PM
Is Welham Green the last Tesco DC with the old Blue Book agreement or had it changed in recent years?

Belfast still on blue book. Been talk of a new depot for a long time but this has never happened.

You will be the last Depot standing then with the old Blue Book agreement and the old T's&C's.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Stencho on 11-01-17, 04:39AM
https://youtu.be/xmlyEuvwgbg
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Stencho on 11-01-17, 07:28AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmlyEuvwgbg&t=8s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmlyEuvwgbg&t=8s)

no mention of the total figure of redundancies on 5 November 2016.....
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 11-01-17, 07:37AM
Would be interesting to know the redundancy take up percentage too. I think it would reveal the mood on the shopfloor if the take up was high.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 11-01-17, 10:45AM
It's my feeling and I think yours too that Tosco employees are fed up to the back teeth of being kept in the dark, being treat like idiots and bullied. I think, from conversations I've had people are desperate to get away from this despicable company and I think the percentage would be very high, more that Tosco could handle.  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 11-01-17, 11:58AM
Snowyowl, I agree I think it will be high. I heard someone before Xmas mention the uptake to be 82% or more. Don't know how accurate it is but it wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Mr Grumpy on 11-01-17, 12:54PM
I really think the majority of old big T workers hate working there now, and would take any chance to escape the company

Our store has many long loyal employess who now are either waitinp for redundancy, planning to get out by educating themselves more or actively looking for jobs

Well done to Drastic for the utter distruction of the loyal workforce that helped build the company
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: belfast driver on 11-01-17, 01:29PM
Is Welham Green the last Tesco DC with the old Blue Book agreement or had it changed in recent years?

Belfast still on blue book. Been talk of a new depot for a long time but this has never happened.

You will be the last Depot standing then with the old Blue Book agreement and the old T's&C's.
Oh dear it wont be too long before drastic comes after us then. Bring on the redundancy :-)
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: belfast driver on 11-01-17, 01:31PM
Snodland DC transport not going over to Tesco, but being put out to tender. Can anybody let me Know if this is the case at the unity depot run by DHL. many thanks
#

Tesco has a vision to make all transport in house by 2020.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: bulspit on 11-01-17, 02:18PM
confirmation of Chesterfield D.C's closure today :(, notice of closure states that our stock is to be divided between Daventry, and Middlesbrough, as these dc's are currently underutilised, and have the capacity to deal with our stock. quote the wolfman
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 11-01-17, 03:45PM
Incredible, they have no idea  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Dark lerker on 11-01-17, 06:42PM
nearest D.C.'s to Chesterfield are over an hour away in travelling time on a good day !
 

The same for Welham Green ,but it depends on wether you want to move or you already live in that direction . WG is an old DC with people who have been with the company for a long time . I think most of them will take the redundancy.
I'm one of the people thats being made redundant, it a disgrace the way it's been done.
I was off work when it was announced, a workmate called me, and I heard it on the television, but I had no phone call from anyone at Tesco.
We have been told it will happen in June, but there are rumours that we will be out by the end of march.
Redundancy is the only option, as Reading and Dagenham are both too far away to make it viable.
Most of the welham green workers can't wait to leave, after the way they have been treated.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: just curious on 11-01-17, 08:14PM
Bellfast drivers quote
Tesco has a vision to make all transport in house by 2020.


Wasn't all transport in house any way until Tosco bought in Eddie Gocarts to do the job in various dc's?
Doncaster dc comes to mind with Tosco drivers striking and protesting against being transferred over to Eddie Gocarts terms and conditions which were less favourable than Tosco ?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Tornado on 11-01-17, 10:23PM
 
https://youtu.be/xmlyEuvwgbg
:D :D :D People has to learn being more creative, using their imagination, being more at revolution side 8) tell them f..k  :o instead >:( which it is bad for your health. Can you see now why they are so worried with our health ? Are they not so  :-* ? They like a lot  (-*-)  :'( and  :P and it is very,very important for them that we be  (-*-) and to keep our mouth  :-X. You need to learn to be  >:D and  8). Use your imagination and be >:D.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: belfast driver on 11-01-17, 10:29PM
Bellfast drivers quote
Tesco has a vision to make all transport in house by 2020.


Wasn't all transport in house any way until Tosco bought in Eddie Gocarts to do the job in various dc's?
Doncaster dc comes to mind with Tosco drivers striking and protesting against being transferred over to Eddie Gocarts terms and conditions which were less favourable than Tosco ?

Yes it was. Now that Tesco have new contracts implemented it suits them better to have there own drivers .
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Stencho on 12-01-17, 04:45AM
That's lazy maths. 500new jobs could be flexi 16hour contracts replacing 1000 staff!!!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Dark lerker on 12-01-17, 06:24AM
Thanks Pick to cube. 
Take the money and run. Weybridge was on the Blue Book agreement but voted out of it but kept the Tand C's with regards to the redundancy agreement.
Sadly Welham's days have always been numbered.
Best wishes to all. There is life after Tesco.
Everyone at Welham Green knew that the DC would closed sooner or later, we've had to live with the rumours for 10 years or more.
The speed that it has happened is astounding, for years Welham Green has existed, I'm surprised it has lasted for this long.
Some of the decisions that have been made are really baffling, like creating a permanent early shift, then regularly calling for people to go home between 7am and 10am.
It seems the planners could never agree on a formula that worked, they would change one thing and destabilise another area.
It's a shame, a once great company that cared for their colleagues/workers, has now got a couldn't give a toss attitude for their staff, it's all about profits.
The company we all loved and enjoyed working for has gone ... Forever
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 12-01-17, 07:23AM
Quote from Stencho.
500new jobs could be flexi 16hour contracts replacing 1000 staff!!!

I believe your dead right Stencho, without any resistance and support from Usbore that's where we will all end up in part time flexi jobs.  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: kesmund on 12-01-17, 07:41AM
check this video out if you have not seen it before  https://youtu.be/xmlyEuvwgbg
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: blutopia on 12-01-17, 09:29AM
It's a funny video, but this link has been pasted several times in a few threads already.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: kesmund on 12-01-17, 09:35AM
sorry just trying to help no need to bite my head off
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 12-01-17, 09:54AM
I now understand that the TM's from both Reading and Middlesbrough have been told that they are safe until May, well whoopee f*ck*ng  doodle do!!! I wonder if the conversation went something like this;

"Yeah we are not going to get rid of you just yet, what we'd like is for you to just hang on until we get all the sh*te in from the Depots that are closing into your respective Depots and then we'll f*ck you off"  B*st*rds  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: blutopia on 12-01-17, 10:26AM
sorry just trying to help no need to bite my head off

Didn't mean it in a biting-your-head-off-sort-of-way - just pointing it out in the hope that it won't go viral across all the threads!   :)
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: The Guvnor on 12-01-17, 11:09AM
Bellfast drivers quote
Tesco has a vision to make all transport in house by 2020.


Wasn't all transport in house any way until Tosco bought in Eddie Gocarts to do the job in various dc's?
Doncaster dc comes to mind with Tosco drivers striking and protesting against being transferred over to Eddie Gocarts terms and conditions which were less favourable than Tosco ?

Yes it was. Now that Tesco have new contracts implemented it suits them better to have there own drivers .


It will have taken about 10 years or so to complete this project then :question:

Livingstone was the first Super DC. Remember the strike with the lads from the original Livingstone site fighting to keep their T's & C's while crossing the road :question:

I can't remember which DC's were outsourced at the time but not all DC's were in house.

Snodland was Hays Logistics or whatever it was called once upon a time :question:
Harlow was once upon a time someone else, back in the early 1990's :question:
Doncaster was glass Glover Distribution then became Wincanton I think :question:
Thurrock started out at Excel Logistics if my memory serves me correctly then became DHL as Excel were swallowed by DHL so Tesco took Thurrock back in house.

Peterborough was the first new DC to be built for some time with a new model contract for the drivers which from what I can understand is the model contract for all DC's and has about 7 versions of it :question:

Middlewich was the first DC of drivers to be TUPED to Stobarts and then followed bit by bit with Tesco citing the high driver wages in it's own "In house Dc's " as being too cost prohibitive.

The company has used third party haulage to drive down the wages for it's own staff and now they are at an acceptable (low wages) to the company, they will take the DC's back in house so Tesco have control of the vehicles :-X :'(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Tosco91 on 12-01-17, 11:29AM
Job Losses most definitely coming in Dot Com with the introduction of Drug Testing for Customer Delivery Drivers at Store level (Trial announced and begins soon - a trial as we all know is just a way of implementing an idea more softly). A know a number of drivers in my large store take stuff at the weekends!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 12-01-17, 11:41AM
Quote from Stencho.
500new jobs could be flexi 16hour contracts replacing 1000 staff!!!

I believe your dead right Stencho, without any resistance and support from Usbore that's where we will all end up in part time flexi jobs.  >:(


A good majority of the jobs I believe will be operational jobs where the management are cut back.
I can't see them being flexi or part time.
From what I see ( which may be different to you).

Partime in Distribution usually happens at the request of individuals, to reduce hours.

They have little need to have a part time initiative with the flexibility that Agency labour offers. Partime hour contracts in Distribution may be a consideration during recruitment if Demand is there via expression of applicants particularly when New Sites open, however the implication there is a Drive or an initiative for Partime or Flexi contracts like Retail is a nonsense.

Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 12-01-17, 11:56AM
It may be worth pointing out that although this thread is in the store section of the forum.
The discussion has come to job losses and changes in Distribution, Distribution is significantly different to Retail in labour management.

A good proportion of the 500 new jobs Have to be Filled they are oppereational roles that run departments. It would be very foolish if the roles were unattractive to applicants and then unfilled as it would be difficult to cover such critical roles via secondments from other Areas. The Roles need reliability, that won't be achieved via flexi Partime contracts.

How were the new oppereational roles filled at the Pilot sites?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 12-01-17, 12:57PM
It's probably easier to say there wasn't any. It wouldn't surprises me if there wasn't a pilot site and it was all worked out on a spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 12-01-17, 02:15PM
The sad fact is that the majority of these jobs will go to agency workers, because they allow the flexibility that Tesco crave.

Most depots now operate on a 60% Tesco 40% agency split and the likelihood that this will become a 50 50 split in the very near future .

However, with  BREXIT looming large on the horizon , Tesco will have rethink their strategy - cheap Eastern European labour won't as regularly available.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 12-01-17, 03:13PM
As I understand it, Reading DC has problems retaining staff. They have taken a major gamble shutting Welham Green.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: CoffeeGate on 12-01-17, 04:08PM
Middlesbrough has the same problem as Reading by the sounds of it. The agency has become incredibly unreliable and with the extra volumes in the future i believe they will really struggle to stay on top of everything. Can also confirm what was said earlier that the managers have been given a stay of execution until May as they are part of the 'Second Wave'
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Dark lerker on 12-01-17, 04:41PM
As I understand it, Reading DC has problems retaining staff. They have taken a major gamble shutting Welham Green.
Welham Green may have been small but time and time again they out picked their bigger counterparts.
But I must say I won't miss the bulls*** way we have been treated, I'm looking forward to having a well earned rest.
I feel for the young guys that have got to get another job, to pay the mortgage, but tosco don't give a toss about them.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: The Guvnor on 12-01-17, 07:15PM
And there you have it :-X

Fargone has just confirmed what we all said when all the old long standing DC's got hit and closed.

Weybridge out picked other DC's at times and beat other bigger DC's to get work done.

All the incentive to work hard has gone and the staff are expected to out perform unrealistic targets set by management.

Drivers are expected to work for wages that is about 25 years out of date.

Really  :question:

I can earn more money driving a bus now than I would be able to working at Reading DC as a driver. No wonder they aren't staying.

As Dark Lerker has said, I feel for the young ones who will have to work twice as hard to pay bills etc. I am now in a position to take things a bit easier work wise but not everyone can do this :'(

It was a good company to work for once but not now.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: redcar renegade on 12-01-17, 07:42PM
As far as Middlesbrough is concerned there are some decent managers who in the scheme of things will be thrown to the wolves.while there will be 500 jobs created only 50 at Middlesbrough how many will be full time or will they just be agency. There was a brief giving the other day were we were informed about senior team restructuring the newflash on BBC news announces Tesco to cut jobs and close depots the G.M was in canteen looked like a rabbit caught in car headlights don't think Drastic Dave told him that bit lol.
We the unwashed masses have no say on what will happen but suffer the consequences so let the fun begin, dismissals for the smallest thing whilst senior management get away with murder.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: dogslave on 12-01-17, 08:11PM
Let's face it the 2 depots that are to close have the better terms and conditions.
That's a surprise I here you say.
drastic just tell people the truth instead of putting that idiot broen in front of me.
glad to leave as most are here in the north.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: belfast driver on 12-01-17, 08:33PM
Can anyone confirm exactly how many drivers are affected at wellham green?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Exdavgrocery on 12-01-17, 09:03PM
As an indication of the staff turnover levels in these newer depots ,Dav grocery clock numbers were in excess of 6000 after 18 months. ( Dav grocery staffing levels were approx 1500 )
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 12-01-17, 09:42PM
By turnover you are referring g to staff joining and then leaving??? If that's the case, those numbers are bad.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: The Guvnor on 13-01-17, 08:18AM
That's what Exdavgrocery means.

When a DC opens, the clock card number for each person usually starts at 0001 with the first person to be employed. This may have changed now :question:

After 13 years of operations at the DC where I worked, the numbering was only in the mid 1500's so only 1500 or so people had worked for the DC in that time. A low turn over rate of staff. Many saw it as a good job and indeed a job for life.

Now those sort of figure can be achieved in no time. Agency Warehouse staff I believe are given a clock number as well so this will skew the fiqures as well. Agency Drivers didn't have to clock in at the DC where I worked. Again, this may have changed :question:
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 13-01-17, 10:25AM
Quote from redcar renegade.

Quote
We the unwashed masses have no say on what will happen but suffer the consequences so let the fun begin, dismissals for the smallest thing whilst senior management get away with murder.

If the Management are "getting away with murder" I hope the Representatives on this site have the b*lls and are willing to use the information they have as a president to ensure a "fair and consistant" outcome for anybody they are representing.  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: tiptop on 13-01-17, 11:22AM
with regards the processes and policies and more so values! it is clear that these do not apply too Tesco management this is clear from the scandals that have plagued the company in the last few years weather this is at head office/stores or  in the above comments ref distribution centres it is clear too me that something is going very wrong with this once great company....
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 13-01-17, 11:31AM
100% agree  :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 13-01-17, 11:43AM
 >:( The worst you can imagine has happened at certain Depots and Head Office, these senior people responsible have been identified and proven to be responsible for their actions yet are still secure in their positions,absolutely unbelievable.  >:( 
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: redcar renegade on 13-01-17, 12:02PM
Managers think they are untouchable because of help from head office keeping things swept under the carpet, new HR parachuted in to stop things getting to director level.
Senior management aware but do nothing but if you are a minnion and minor infringement hung drawn and quarted no justice. Ok if managers and like bolivian marching powder and a bite to eat at work even if it is another manager.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: bootsdaroff on 13-01-17, 12:08PM
Colombian marching dust. That's what our weekend managers like to call it  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: redcar renegade on 13-01-17, 12:10PM
Like to see random drugs test on managers lets see the buggers sweat lol
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: bootsdaroff on 13-01-17, 12:23PM
That would be a good way to have some job losses. No need to pay redundancies  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 13-01-17, 12:40PM
I hope you lot are not suggesting that Managers are taking drugs, I'm sure if they are taking anything it is prescribed and for medicinal purposes only.  (-*-) (-*-) (-*-)
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 13-01-17, 01:25PM
 8) Seriously if you have any knowledge of ANYBODY using recreational drugs on a regular basis, for Health and Safety reasons you must report this. I'm not sure if just suspecting this is information enough, I think you would have to have good reason. It is a very dangerous game and could result in somebodies death.  8)
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: VengaBoy on 13-01-17, 02:00PM
I'm still waiting to find out if they are removing DM's from express. Does anybody have any info on this?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: kurious1234 on 13-01-17, 02:33PM
Were all waiting VengaBoy. All the talk says DM is going. Just when is the question. Would be nice if anyone from the trial stores are on here to update us on when trial officially ends and what will follow.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 13-01-17, 03:00PM
Am I right in saying, that in the past, Tes*o announced that they were closing Chesterfield DC, and then changed their mind?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: picktocube on 13-01-17, 03:40PM
Yes ,it was scheduled to close in September 2013,but at the end of August 2013,they changed their mind and kept it open. It did change from a dry grocery warehouse to a non-food and gm warehouse though.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: CoffeeGate on 13-01-17, 04:00PM
a bite to eat at work even if it is another manager.

 :D ;D Haha id forgot that a certain SM turned into a vampire!
At least he didn't abuse his privilege card or use too many vouchers then he might have actually been made to account for his actions!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Exdavgrocery on 13-01-17, 04:34PM
A quick question for anyone working in a DC.
During my time at Dav grocery ( from 2 weeks before it went live ) the training dept was full time.
By full time I mean the trainers were a stand alone dept. not part of the warehouse operation.
Is this the case in other newer DC 's ?
Every request at Dav by anyone ,be it on assembly, flt or loading, to have one of the trainers demonstrate how to hit the required performance level, was met with the response,
"Its their job to train you how to do the job , not to demonstrate it to you "
No wonder they needed a full time training dept. and turned over more than 6000 staff in 18 months.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: redcar renegade on 13-01-17, 07:25PM
In the words of  jim royal " my arse" we have an assembly trainer who does not pick an Flt trainer who turns with pallets in the air.Training  is nothing but a joke as much as optimum stop sounds good on paper but turns to s*** in practise.my performance put middlesbroughs pick rate up to 92% industry standard is 85% unless you on bonus work but the union in its attempt to keep Tesco happy agreed to this happening for christ sake i am a human being not a robot wonder if national officer could hit the target
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 13-01-17, 08:30PM
 >:( It may be right that Usbore have agreed the change with Tosco with regards to changing the target rate to 92% but it doesn't mean the target rate has changed to 92%. It's my belief that without consultation they can not either individually or collectively change  your T's and C's. Simply refuse to sign anything that asks you to accept this regardless of how you are threatened. >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Cheekymonkey007 on 14-01-17, 06:37PM
Official trial ends this week for express dm.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 15-01-17, 10:30AM
>:( It may be right that Usbore have agreed the change with Tosco with regards to changing the target rate to 92% but it doesn't mean the target rate has changed to 92%. It's my belief that without consultation they can not either individually or collectively change  your T's and C's. Simply refuse to sign anything that asks you to accept this regardless of how you are threatened. >:(

Consultation and Agreement are two different things.

Having said that, those who accepted and took employment @100% who now have to reach 92% have little scope to formally challenge the change especially at tribunal surely, the target has been relaxed!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 15-01-17, 06:30PM
The target hasn't been relaxed, I understand that that Depot has been working 85% for the last four or five years. In fact it hasn't been working at 85%, it's been working at 85% as a target but has in fact only been taking action against the bottom twenty results over three shifts. So they are not relaxing the targets the are upping them.  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: bulspit on 15-01-17, 07:52PM
in reply to pick to cube on the change of mind at Chesterfield , yes they did at a cost of half of its staff , only to be replaced by agency workers, 100 tesco went, 100 agency set on, the lease on the building runs out in 2020 regardless of what happens next, and as quoted on redundancy letter the spoils have already been divided between Daventry, and Middlesborough, unless its another ploy to get rid of yet more Tesco employees, 2020 ! the way the d.c's been run by the management has made it uneconomical, paying employees overtime on one shift and sending next shift home on normal time? running agency worker 12 hours then again no work for tesco guys, its not added up the way the d.c has been run since that threat of closure, we've  had more trainee gm's than hot dinners, all got fast tracked and moved on, atmosphere at the d.c has been c**p, the management treat you like slaves , even though they have all been on courses on treating their staff better. what a waste of time and money that was. the stock that we do carry well. its all the awkward to stack, which destroys you percentage, as a picker, and loading them a nightmare, I actually feel sorry for the guys at these d.c's who are going to inherit it, don't think that your pick times will alter to accommodate either,ours didn't. paint, duvets.pillows,plastic bins , ironing boards, mops. wrapping paper, single footballs, they're great! all I can say is good look.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 15-01-17, 07:58PM
Whilst I understand the point you make snowyowl and do agree it is worth investigating on a "custom and practice" perspective.

It is difficult for reps when the company don't enforce policy or contractual stipulations, it leads to a false sense of security.

92 under my performance have always been contracted 100, the fact the company have never enforced 100 clouds the contractual rights element of a change.

The fact is the contractual requirement has been relaxed.

At tribunal level, it would be argued that 100% was recognised as unfair, unsustainable and unrealistic, it would then be argued that the consultation process set about realising a more realistic % figure, working parties and significant processes were put in place to achieve this objective, over a considerable period of time, through extensive talks 92% was realised.

With a relaxation from 100 down to 92 through an extensive process and timeframe which protected all involved for that period, how could a tribunal deem the change as as unfair? An extensive process has been followed to address what was unrealistic, the process realised 92. Not being managed until 92 was realised an amnesty in recognition that 100 was unfair and unrealistic,  until the realistic target was set any consistent % was safe in the interests of fairness.

To put the principle of being better off than contracted into another context.

Your contracted £9.00 per hour but have always been paid £10 3-4 years in the company correct the difference and start paying £9.00.

Have you got a claim for unlawful deduction of wages?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 15-01-17, 08:11PM
in reply to pick to cube on the change of mind at Chesterfield , yes they did at a cost of half of its staff , only to be replaced by agency workers, 100 tesco went, 100 agency set on, the lease on the building runs out in 2020 regardless of what happens next, and as quoted on redundancy letter the spoils have already been divided between Daventry, and Middlesborough, unless its another ploy to get rid of yet more Tesco employees, 2020 ! the way the d.c's been run by the management has made it uneconomical, paying employees overtime on one shift and sending next shift home on normal time? running agency worker 12 hours then again no work for tesco guys, its not added up the way the d.c has been run since that threat of closure, we've  had more trainee gm's than hot dinners, all got fast tracked and moved on, atmosphere at the d.c has been c**p, the management treat you like slaves , even though they have all been on courses on treating their staff better. what a waste of time and money that was. the stock that we do carry well. its all the awkward to stack, which destroys you percentage, as a picker, and loading them a nightmare, I actually feel sorry for the guys at these d.c's who are going to inherit it, don't think that your pick times will alter to accommodate either,ours didn't. paint, duvets.pillows,plastic bins , ironing boards, mops. wrapping paper, single footballs, they're great! all I can say is good look.

With regard to your point about o/t on 1 shift to workers being asked to be sent home on the next, agreements in place that garentee o/t when % Agency increases helps fuel the c**k up.
Perhaps reps should be actively seeking to drive down Agency % rather than insist on O/T when they increase.
Driving down agency numbers increases permanent staff numbers.

Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 15-01-17, 09:05PM
The whole concept of target percentages is nonsense. The figures they are based on are fictional and are simply designed to put pressure on colleagues to work harder and faster. Anybody with half an ounce of common sense can destroy the concept in minutes. They show a total disregard for Health and Safety and are totally discriminatory due to the fact that not all colleagues are working on measured jobs. What I find most sickening is when these Dickensian powers are put into the hands of bullies who aren't fit (and in some cases I mean mentally fit) to be employed as Managers.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 15-01-17, 09:18PM
Snowyowl

Stores are just as bad for that. Any kind of so called "target" is simply used as a tool to try and press staff that are already stretched. Then the same "targets" are used in managing people out of the business. Must be the culture of the company now.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: redcar renegade on 15-01-17, 09:23PM
In support of snowyowl the figures are unrealistic the industry standard is 85%, if tesco are trying to improve productivity how come i believe it might have been widnes had their percentage cut to 85%.i would like to say to bulspit , yes middlesbrough is benefitting from the closures but we get no joy from anyone losing their jobs.at middlesbrough we have certain shifts get away time of no pay whilst one shift will send agency home keep tesco staff all shift and over pick WTF is that all about.ì find it interesting reading some of the points one the job losses the fact we have not had any message from our beloved union on the matter or cant they bothered anymore
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 15-01-17, 10:01PM
Now your getting somewhere.

As I have clearly stated in the past here and elswhere.

Standard time is calculated by the law of average, average being the standard.

You can't dimiss anything below average because average relies on it to exist it would not be acceptable because if you do dismiss below average, so you are in effect dismissing the average as not credible and therefore the standard time can't exist.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: redcar renegade on 15-01-17, 10:12PM
In layman's terms Duracell you are in theory saying the standard time is rubbish a figment of an imagination that is unreal. A tool by which to turn a screw in people's minds to inflict mental anguish. If that is meant by your last post.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 16-01-17, 07:53AM
I'll put it more simple for you RR, the figures that they base the %'s on aren't true, they are made up, they are guess work. In an ever physically changing Depot it would be impossible to calculate true figures. Yet these idiots are wanting to manipulate and use these figures as part of the new SYP process as an aid to lessen the wage bill. Lets see what the Union is made of?  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: CoffeeGate on 16-01-17, 09:12AM
'Lets see what the union is made of' let me see what phrase comes to mind ... chocolate fireguard?
The union are an absolute shambles, at least one of them will be off sick at any given time and those that are at work will 99% of the time be the main source for countless rumours that have never came to fruition. They truely are a waste of time and money and i for one am glad ive not paid in to Usdaw for many years.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 16-01-17, 10:51AM
Shame the colleagues aren't all like you and we might get rid of them, sadly there seems to be no appetite for that.  :(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Stencho on 16-01-17, 10:54AM
Job Losses. Let's face it Trendy Co can only afford to pay  a living wage ( up to 9.90 an hour by 2020???) if they get people to work harder and longer for less money. I.E. pay off long serving full time staff and replace them with flexi staff on shorter contracts , with single time for overtime , no double time on a sunday, call you when we need you. The gradual change over time while there have been losses of 6.4 billion and share price falling down into a bottomless well , yet ceo's taking a golden handshake and golden boot is morally reprehensible.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 16-01-17, 12:02PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QINoUyrP0BI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QINoUyrP0BI)       Keep it in mind People.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: picktocube on 16-01-17, 12:44PM
I'll put it more simple for you RR, the figures that they base the %'s on aren't true, they are made up, they are guess work. In an ever physically changing Depot it would be impossible to calculate true figures. Yet these idiots are wanting to manipulate and use these figures as part of the new SYP process as an aid to lessen the wage bill. Lets see what the Union is made of?  >:(
 

I can't really imagine what it like in these newer DCs as the timings are there to purely monitor staff and everything is geared towards benefiting Tesco. Originally when timings were used It was a two-way thing ,as the employee received bonus payment if they worked harder,but as DCs have been closed down over the years ,the new DCs have still got timings ,but no bonus.Timings should be done with Usdaw rep in attendance and if figures are not achievable ,then the onsite reps should be asking for re-times .
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 16-01-17, 02:49PM
In the Depot I work there are no bonus payments of any kind, the target percentages are used purely as a beating stick to put pressure on colleagues to work harder and faster and to hell with health and safety. Seriously I know it has made people ill with worry.  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: dogslave on 16-01-17, 03:10PM
Ian Brown said in 2013 Chesterfield was to far north. For give me but where is Middlesbrough.
Another 2 hours north.
All about terms and conditions as always.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 16-01-17, 03:19PM
And money, Middlesbrough is a new site and I would imagine they are not as well paid as some.  >:D
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 16-01-17, 04:36PM
In layman's terms Duracell you are in theory saying the standard time is rubbish a figment of an imagination that is unreal. A tool by which to turn a screw in people's minds to inflict mental anguish. If that is meant by your last post.

When time studies are done low slower times are recorded as well as faster times when a broad section of workers are studied, all recorded times are put into the number cruncher and then the average (standard time) is realised, it is then unfair to dismiss a pick rate as not acceptable when it was accepted and recorded to realise the average.


It simple terms

Pick rate of those timed per case

Worker A.      5 seconds
Worker B.      6 seconds
Worker c.       7 seconds
Worker D.       8 seconds
Worker E.        9 seconds
Worker F         10 seconds

Average across all six
= 7.5 seconds

So standard time becomes 7.5seconds per case.

However 9 and 10 seconds  per case are then dismissed as not acceptable because this gives a pick rate percentage lower than they deem reasonable.

Unfair to dismiss figures that played a significant part in realising the average ( standard time ) IE worker E and Worker F are too slow and Therefore are Missing or have More to do, because the are not achieving 8 seconds per case or better.

All times are fictional to illustrate obviously.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: cityboy on 16-01-17, 06:24PM
To use averages in job performance is shameful! It will always favour the younger, quicker, worker, as speed is the measurement. These percentages can't measure the value of experience of how to cope with say Christmas (done a lot of them), awkward customers, (done hundreds of them), late deliveries, short on staff, etc. Percentage can only be measured in a constant, and working nights for me does not have constants, i.e., what you come into and when a delivery arrives, is all up chance. Percentages cannot be obtained without certain constants, so are therefore presumed or inaccurate or false.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: redcar renegade on 16-01-17, 06:25PM
Forgive my ignorance but how do other depots run loading as a my performance task, we have been told the initial check of a double deckers is already taking into account in the trimmings ,if you press these whilst checking trailer dragged into office we get told to wrap the back three cages on each deck but there is only 5 allowed per trailer. Tesco will steal every second they can off you then say you are not performing.this will lead to dismissals and excuse will be it was all in the timmings
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 16-01-17, 06:38PM
DD loading or unloading and how it is managed does vary it seems.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 16-01-17, 06:43PM
To use averages in job performance is shameful! It will always favour the younger, quicker, worker, as speed is the measurement. These percentages can't measure the value of experience of how to cope with say Christmas (done a lot of them), awkward customers, (done hundreds of them), late deliveries, short on staff, etc. Percentage can only be measured in a constant, and working nights for me does not have constants, i.e., what you come into and when a delivery arrives, is all up chance. Percentages cannot be obtained without certain constants, so are therefore presumed or inaccurate or false.

Quite right! My performance doesn't measure quality.

So theoretically you could be exceeding, and your stacking is c**p, accuracy c**p. Yet your "performance" is exceeding.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: cityboy on 16-01-17, 07:57PM
Duracell, thanks for knowing what I mean! Percentages of performance cannot be measured from an office that has no shop floor experience! Work delivery rate cannot be measured because there are not enough definitions to measure it by, i.e., the things that can go wrong with or hamper a perfect shift. I think the young fast guys and girls are great at getting through the amount of work we have to do, and although I have slowed down in my late 50s, they still come to me for advice and solving problems. If you put a percentage figure on the speed of my work years ago to my work rate now, I am going down hill. But you can't put a measurement on giving your experience to the young ones 
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 16-01-17, 08:08PM
It's the same with accuracy testing, do they want speed or accuracy I don't believe you can have both with any consistency. Accuracy is regarded as "conduct" a sackable offence.  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 16-01-17, 08:36PM
Quote from Duracell;
Quote
When time studies are done low slower times are recorded as well as faster times when a broad section of workers are studied, all recorded times are put into the number cruncher and then the average (standard time) is realised, it is then unfair to dismiss a pick rate as not acceptable when it was accepted and recorded to realise the average.

I personally have witnessed a time and motion chap disregard a checking-in job because it was taking to long. The checker was doing nothing out of ordinary. It seems that when they time the pickers at our site they tend to predominately do agency workers as they are on 100% contracts.
The timings are not used until accepted by Usbore, which is a joke in itself because I don't think the Usbore accountant who verifies the figures has ever set foot on the Depot floor and only sees the figures provided by Tosco.
The timings throughout the Depot have been reduced year upon year which in turn blindly alters the %'s.
The whole sorry show is a farce.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: dogslave on 16-01-17, 09:11PM
I tell everyone do as you have been trained. When the bully boys have you in state you do the tasks as trained. Be prepared to go all the way ie tribunal.
You will always win, they know it and will never get to that.
or race round not doing as trained have an accident and play into there hands.
again as trained be strong you are grown men and women.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 16-01-17, 10:35PM
Quote from Duracell;
Quote
When time studies are done low slower times are recorded as well as faster times when a broad section of workers are studied, all recorded times are put into the number cruncher and then the average (standard time) is realised, it is then unfair to dismiss a pick rate as not acceptable when it was accepted and recorded to realise the average.

I personally have witnessed a time and motion chap disregard a checking-in job because it was taking to long. The checker was doing nothing out of ordinary. It seems that when they time the pickers at our site they tend to predominately do agency workers as they are on 100% contracts.
The timings are not used until accepted by Usbore, which is a joke in itself because I don't think the Usbore accountant who verifies the figures has ever set foot on the Depot floor and only sees the figures provided by Tosco.
The timings throughout the Depot have been reduced year upon year which in turn blindly alters the %'s.
The whole sorry show is a farce.  >:( >:( >:(

Duracell , you are quite correct, an work study will involve a large sample of the task i.e. This  will include the a mixture of faster and slower employee's and the average applied .However the joke of the union have allowed for the task and not the job timed
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: OpShunned on 16-01-17, 10:51PM
Duracell , you are quite correct, an work study will involve a large sample of the task i.e. This  will include the a mixture of faster and slower employee's and the average applied .However the joke of the union have allowed for the task and not the job timed
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and in Darwinian terms, the fittest/ fastest will survive the rigours of the task, while the slowest (other end of the bell curve) will suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous persecution (unless they are drinking buddies of the slave-masters) will be 'managed' out of the zoo.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 17-01-17, 06:44AM
There're going to be f***ed when the East Europeans leave.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 17-01-17, 09:53AM
Quote from Duracell;
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When time studies are done low slower times are recorded as well as faster times when a broad section of workers are studied, all recorded times are put into the number cruncher and then the average (standard time) is realised, it is then unfair to dismiss a pick rate as not acceptable when it was accepted and recorded to realise the average.

I personally have witnessed a time and motion chap disregard a checking-in job because it was taking to long. The checker was doing nothing out of ordinary. It seems that when they time the pickers at our site they tend to predominately do agency workers as they are on 100% contracts.
The timings are not used until accepted by Usbore, which is a joke in itself because I don't think the Usbore accountant who verifies the figures has ever set foot on the Depot floor and only sees the figures provided by Tosco.
The timings throughout the Depot have been reduced year upon year which in turn blindly alters the %'s.
The whole sorry show is a farce.  >:( >:( >:(

Duracell , you are quite correct, an work study will involve a large sample of the task i.e. This  will include the a mixture of faster and slower employee's and the average applied .However the joke of the union have allowed for the task and not the job timed

I understand your point but the introduction of the AMC was a game changer, as assignments can now be scrutinised in to productive time and non productive time. You will never gain on non productive time regardless of the standard time allocated.
Always been that way with FLT replenishment and putaway. Once terminals were introduced for other tasks (AMC) they were then able to apply the same age old principle.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 17-01-17, 11:39AM
Sometimes I don't think some people actually understand what they are reading, I can only speak with any authority or knowledge about the Depot I work but the whole concept of timings and percentages is a myth. You cannot act punitively against somebody when the information you are using is nonsense. One of Tosco's guiding lines is "Fair and Consistent" what would be fair about managing somebody out of the business using false information?  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: terra on 17-01-17, 02:29PM
But it happens!!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Equalizer87 on 17-01-17, 03:04PM
Yes, it does happen, misinformation or lack of knowledge by colleagues is used as a weapon against staff.

As I said before about the apparent "30 mins  per  cage" that was rammed down our throats in my last store. It cannot be enforced as a definitive target as deliveries varied in size and arrived at different times of the day.
Without the "perfect" environment, no target could ever be completed it the exact.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 17-01-17, 03:44PM
Sometimes I don't think some people actually understand what they are reading, I can only speak with any authority or knowledge about the Depot I work but the whole concept of timings and percentages is a myth. You cannot act punitively against somebody when the information you are using is nonsense. One of Tosco's guiding lines is "Fair and Consistent" what would be fair about managing somebody out of the business using false information?  >:(

I'm not sure what or who in particular you are referring to.
Who doesn't understand what they are reading?
The Concept of Timings and percentages are a Myth?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 17-01-17, 05:00PM
Quote by Duracell;
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I understand your point but the introduction of the AMC was a game changer, as assignments can now be scrutinised in to productive time and non productive time. You will never gain on non productive time regardless of the standard time allocated.
Always been that way with FLT replenishment and putaway. Once terminals were introduced for other tasks (AMC) they were then able to apply the same age old principle.
Not exclusively, but you. I was trying to express my belief that the WHOLE system is a fraud, the Whole concept of SYP is a myth built on outwardly looking true but false information. It's all given an air of legality because it's put together by a huge company using Time and Motion backed by the Union accountant. In reality it is a farce because these figures are simply not true. In effect it is designed to be and is used as a big stick to beat people with. This in 2017 is being used in such a way that it is actually making people ill, seriously ill and is being used to discipline colleagues to the point of dismissal, with Union backing.
It's time to dismiss a Union that cares little about it's members and it's time to show Tosco up for what they are fraudulent bullies to the core.  >:( >:( >:(
Sorry if you took my last post as personal, it wasn't it's just me venting my frustrations.  ;)
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: terra on 17-01-17, 05:35PM
Support your performance in stores is no better when one person, your manager decides if your performance is acceptable or not, you can be given 50 next steps to achieve in 4 weeks and told you are still red as one was not done the way your manager wanted it despite never expressing a view when asked, and one was failed as he didn't provide the information needed to do the job despite constant requests until after the deadline has passed. I know of other people treated the same way as suddenly their face no longer fitted
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 17-01-17, 06:29PM

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What I find most sickening is when these Dickensian powers are put into the hands of bullies who aren't fit (and in some cases I mean mentally fit) to be employed as Managers

Your example is exactly what I meant when I posted the above. How long will it be before these people are exposed for what they are? When are Tosco going to be exposed for the way they treat their employee's? They are starting to make Sp*rts D*r*ct look like a fun fair.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: redcar renegade on 17-01-17, 07:46PM
Middlesbrough today the managers had a briefing about job losses and how many were going all I can say on the matter is some very unhappy managers after the briefing. Think the numbers they were thinking might not been a bit on the low side.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: gomezz on 17-01-17, 08:00PM
As I said before about the apparent "30 mins  per  cage" that was rammed down our throats in my last store. It cannot be enforced as a definitive target as deliveries varied in size and arrived at different times of the day
As a dot.com driver I can only compare this with delivering one order of a couple of trays a couple of steps from kerb to front door with another order of several trays loaded onto a barrow to take to the top of a block of flats with no lift!  Would be insane to assume they both take the same amount of time.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 17-01-17, 08:57PM
Quote by Duracell;
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I understand your point but the introduction of the AMC was a game changer, as assignments can now be scrutinised in to productive time and non productive time. You will never gain on non productive time regardless of the standard time allocated.
Always been that way with FLT replenishment and putaway. Once terminals were introduced for other tasks (AMC) they were then able to apply the same age old principle.
Not exclusively, but you. I was trying to express my belief that the WHOLE system is a fraud, the Whole concept of SYP is a myth built on outwardly looking true but false information. It's all given an air of legality because it's put together by a huge company using Time and Motion backed by the Union accountant. In reality it is a farce because these figures are simply not true. In effect it is designed to be and is used as a big stick to beat people with. This in 2017 is being used in such a way that it is actually making people ill, seriously ill and is being used to discipline colleagues to the point of dismissal, with Union backing.
It's time to dismiss a Union that cares little about it's members and it's time to show Tosco up for what they are fraudulent bullies to the core.  >:( >:( >:(
Sorry if you took my last post as personal, it wasn't it's just me venting my frustrations.  ;)

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I'm not sure what makes you feel that way, our stance seems pretty similar our mentality as to why is slightly different that's all.

Not sure why you think I don't understand what I read.
I understood the post And responded to the poster with what you have quoted. The poster I responded to quoted you, not me.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 18-01-17, 04:02AM
Duracell, I think the point snowyowl is trying to make is that the union who are meant to represent and protect the interests of  their members are more than ready to sell them down the river.
For example the BSI standard measure is 85 PI is 100 yet USDAW have allowed the target PI of 100 to be introduced and what other union would allow two tie pay structures to be introduced- more work for less money .

It's time the "partnership" sorry union settled things in favour of the member instead of the company - can you name one, in the last 20+ years were they have done this because I can't
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 18-01-17, 06:39AM
It seems like snowyowl said was directing at my but "not exclusively" and then was asking me not to take it personally.

Like I said, I realise the point being made, however I disagree slightly.

USDAW definitely could of done more for its members, but "allow" or "support" is slightly exaggerated.
The Majority at time of being studied don't work as trained, I have Seen many time studies, I am always concerned.
Also my point about the introduction of AMC is a good one, the scope it gives to break down job role into segmented tasks gives greater ability to scrutinise work type.
A methodology that has been imp lace for decades with FLT work can now applied across many jobs.

I would like to know where you get the info about BSI standard is 85% can you substantiate that?  it is worth pointing out though that using snowyowls perspective that the whole concept of time study being a fraud then even the BSI's 85% you mention would have to be erroneous, wouldn't it?

If BSI have their own Minimum Standard and it is 85, that fact alone is worth investigation, considering how the company fall at present with 'BSI'.

This may seem a bit obtuse but do you mean "THE" BSI or "A" BSI ?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 18-01-17, 08:33AM
I don't understand what you mean by THE BSI or the a BSI ?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 18-01-17, 09:27AM
Duracell, my rant due to frustration was aimed at a collective, let me try and explain why I was frustrated.
As I have said before I can only speak of my place of work with any first hand knowledge;
All of the shop floor are employed on 100% contracts yet to my knowledge the target percentage has always been 85% and colleagues have always been judged and disciplined quoting that figure.It for years has been officially accepted as a benchmark. I think this is, as it has been in place for such a long period is classed as "implied terms"
Year after year after year Tosco have invited Time and Motion in to reassess the timings and year after year after year Time and Motion have reduced the times allowed to complete tasks.
With the timings altered this makes each and every task more difficult to achieve and in effect blindly raises the percentage required.
God (and Tosco) only know what percentages me and my colleagues are actually working too now but by the virtue of mathematics it must be a great deal higher than 85%.
 
Now I'm sure you are a Depot man/lady and I'll bet my bottom dollar this is happening in your Depot, now ask yourself have Tosco with the help of Time and Motion and the cooperation of Usbore reduced timings downward in your Depot? (don't forget Usbore have to agree the figures) Now ask yourself this, having reduced timings in your Depot what if anything have Tosco done in order to help you achieve your more difficult targets, in the Depot I work the answer to that is absolutely nothing.

This is where I get annoyed, Tosco use these figures to discipline colleagues to the point of dismissal, they use these figures simply to pressurize people into working harder and faster with no regards for Health and Safety so much so that it has resulted in colleagues actually been made seriously ill.
The figures they use are a fallacy , the Kings new clothes, they are designed and produced purely to be used to bully the work force. Now here's the problem bullying in the workplace is illegal and that applies to any form of bullying.

The problem seems to be at the venue I work is this practice has become a well established culture. It has been well documented over the years, Head Office are fully aware but seemingly are unable or unwilling to tackle it.
I suppose what I want is for Usbore to have a change of heart and to start to look after it's members and stamp out this behaviour and practice for good. The place and the people responsible need to be outed and shown for what they are, no mark bullies.  8)

"I think I got frustrated because I expected more in-depth and serious replies to my post" but I'm sure you can now see that this affects me personally and how serious I am about changing things. The lesson being "don't expect a responce at all"
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: forrestgimp on 18-01-17, 09:28AM
Wouldnt this discussion be better suited to the warehouse and distribution forum the majority of us shop workers have no clue what you are talking about. At least consider splitting off the thread from the original posting however stores does not seem to be the appropriate place to be holding this chat.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 18-01-17, 09:51AM
I guess you have a point forrestgimp, but this thread is titled "job losses" and this conversation is about job losses and Tosco's aptitude for bullying colleagues to a point where they leave or are dismissed, it's also about the way they bully people and I am sure some form of bullying goes on in your shop. Although I work in a Depot I would be interested in your thoughts on "bullying in the workplace"  ;) 
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: CoffeeGate on 18-01-17, 09:57AM
Middlesbrough today the managers had a briefing about job losses and how many were going all I can say on the matter is some very unhappy managers after the briefing. Think the numbers they were thinking might not been a bit on the low side.
Any idea on actual numbers? the rumours beforehand were 5 left on each shift ...
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 18-01-17, 10:07AM
Things must be bad, all that extra work going to Middlesbrough and they are still culling Team Managers, shame it's not Senior Management.  >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 18-01-17, 12:03PM
All those people getting the chop, should make a point of shopping somewhere else.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 18-01-17, 12:26PM
I don't understand what you mean by THE BSI or the a BSI ?

When you refer to BSI do the you mean The British Standards Institute.
Or do you you mean a British Standard in the industry.

It is very interesting, if you mean British Standards Institute. Could you show us or direct us to the BSI accreditation the company has that supports a minimum standard of 85% ?  Could be a very useful point indeed particularly for Snowyowl.

As for this topic becoming focused on Distribution I have previously mentioned it in this thread it could become confusing and there was no intervention from Moderators so I presume they are allowing the topic to be quite broad in terms of Job Losses as Snowyowl suggests.

Administrator Comment Thread moved to All Departments.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 18-01-17, 12:46PM
@snowyowl.
I understand your frustration and really do sympathise, I have suffered similar over the years (many)  with VLH, expecting things to have greater impact than they do expecting colleagues to do more to help themselves.

I could talk in detail about time studies, the practices that go on.

I really get frustrated with "the union agreed to it", very very often it is a case that they have very little scope to challenge.

Take SYP and My performance.
How will the Union get any kind of momentum to take action to challenge MY performance when it would be reliant on staff that could not be bothered to sacrafice bonus payments for the duration of a time study and do the job properly, or just couldn't be bothered.
I watched at non bonus site being timed and I couldn't believe what I saw, why at a non bonus site would you not do the job by the book for the duration of the time study at least?

I could go into detail about how I believe people lose out to standard time, I don't want to put you to sleep.
I have been in distribution for over 20 years and here for almost as long so I understand but now I am even tired of that too.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Zlatan_is_a_red on 18-01-17, 02:10PM
not thread related but some dreamer is claiming nights and dot com going from a certain store...laughable it really is
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: brownie on 18-01-17, 03:23PM
Not a dreamer and not laughing , fact
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: hot_chick on 18-01-17, 03:23PM
not thread related but some dreamer is claiming nights and dot com going from a certain store...laughable it really is

Its nothing to laugh about!! There was a meeting in llansamlet yesterday said meeting was embargoed!! So it could be true and we all know what *osco have  done and obviously are going to keep doing to get shot of all the old contract staff!!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 18-01-17, 07:00PM
Hmmm it would seem they are putting off biting the hand that feeds them, the hand that pulls them out of the quick sand every time they raise their hand to be rescued.

Quite ironic really, how SYP or my performance has no momentum when 'A' DC gets another out of the QS commonly known as s***.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: bulspit on 18-01-17, 07:39PM
The plot thickens at Chesterfield's closure, we were told that the D.C.was to close in June, but now I.B. has hinted that it could close a lot sooner ! ,but would not elaborate, also been informed that if you did by chance want to stay with Tesco, and relocate there would  be no help to do this as" there is no money in the pot for this as times are hard ", like he'd know.

Also after the 45 day consultation period, which ends on 27th Feb, if you find a job before you have had an official letter stating your entitled redundancy figures, you would  forfeit your  redundancy, and be classed as handing your notice in and leaving, wouldn't be looking for a job if we had not been given notice of closure we don't know whether we are coming or going, someone must have gagged the area union rep, as they've done sweet F.A as usual.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Flushman02 on 18-01-17, 07:42PM
So are deputies jobs going or is it rumour?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Hammer10 on 18-01-17, 07:44PM
The press should be told of all these cases of redundancies and the way the staff have been treated.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: forrestgimp on 18-01-17, 08:01PM
I guess you have a point forrestgimp, but this thread is titled "job losses" and this conversation is about job losses and Tosco's aptitude for bullying colleagues to a point where they leave or are dismissed, it's also about the way they bully people and I am sure some form of bullying goes on in your shop. Although I work in a Depot I would be interested in your thoughts on "bullying in the workplace"  ;)

It does but to be fair it seems to me you lot in the distribution side seem to have it far worse than anything I have come across. It was more about the technical side of things and some may not go into the stores part if they are distribution the way I very rarely go in there and it would be a shame for those to not have a voice in this thread.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 18-01-17, 09:41PM
I would personally thank DD, he's taken my premiums , he's taken my pensions and shortly going to be taking my job, but hey at least get a free water bottle and a couple pieces of fruit ... !!!!!
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 18-01-17, 11:03PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ8Kq1wucsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ8Kq1wucsk)
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: optout on 19-01-17, 12:01AM
nice link fargone :thumbup:
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Dark lerker on 21-01-17, 09:25AM
Is Welham Green the last Tosco DC with the old Blue Book agreement or had it changed in recent years?

Belfast still on blue book. Been talk of a new depot for a long time but this has never happened.

You will be the last Depot standing then with the old Blue Book agreement and the old T's&C's.
Oh dear it wont be too long before drastic comes after us then. Bring on the redundancy :-)

The take up of redundancies will be high at Welham Green .. the treatment of workers by Tosco and their own  union is disgraceful.
Drastic has turned Tosco from a company that people were proud and happy to work for, into a company that we the workers cannot wait to get away from.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 22-01-17, 12:56PM
Dark Lerker, If the company decides to close a site, there's not much that the union can do about it.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: gomezz on 22-01-17, 12:59PM
They should surely be doing more than nothing though to help their members in the aftermath rather than leaving them to sink or swim in the fallout from the closure?
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Arizonarugby on 22-01-17, 02:58PM
Fargone of course there's  lot more the Union can do, firstly the could (and should) start to representing the best interests of their of  members instead those of Tesco

They can negotiate an exit package that ensures members receive full benefits - hoiw much did Phillip Clarke leave the company with ???

They can insist the company provide help advise to enable employees to gasin alternative employment ie CV workshops, interview techniques ,on facilities to assist  colleagues applying for jobs is PC's with full internet access
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 22-01-17, 03:17PM
I believe that our local union rep will try to negotiate the best deal that he can achieve. But the plug is getting pulled either way.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: picktocube on 22-01-17, 03:48PM
Fargone of course there's  lot more the Union can do, firstly the could (and should) start to representing the best interests of their of  members instead those of Tesco

They can negotiate an exit package that ensures members receive full benefits - hoiw much did Phillip Clarke leave the company with ???

They can insist the company provide help advise to enable employees to gasin alternative employment ie CV workshops, interview techniques ,on facilities to assist  colleagues applying for jobs is PC's with full internet access
   

At the moment at Welham Green ,what you state is exactly what the union are doing and more . So how can the Union do more????
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Dark lerker on 22-01-17, 04:20PM
Fargone of course there's  lot more the Union can do, firstly the could (and should) start to representing the best interests of their of  members instead those of Tesco

They can negotiate an exit package that ensures members receive full benefits - hoiw much did Phillip Clarke leave the company with ???

They can insist the company provide help advise to enable employees to gasin alternative employment ie CV workshops, interview techniques ,on facilities to assist  colleagues applying for jobs is PC's with full internet access
   

At the moment at Welham Green ,what you state is exactly what the union are doing and more . So how can the Union do more????
I'm affraid I'm not of the same opinion as yourself picktocube .. the Union over the years has given away more than it has achieved, just look at the shops.
They are changing the t and C's for night rates, changing and sometimes doing away with Nightshifts, only to ask some of the staff to go back on nights over Christmas.
So I feel the Union at Welham are doing the job that they are being paid for.
The rest of the time they have got a lovely little job, they'll find it hard getting a job as good again.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: picktocube on 22-01-17, 04:31PM
I am not denying what you are saying ,but if you read what I said in my last post ,I am referring to Welham Green DC .
As a whole,yes the union could have done more for Tesco employees across the whole of the business. At Welham Green DC ,we have acquired and protected a lot of good t&c s over the years(probably a major factor for getting closed down ) ,mainly due to the Union.
 
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: stockrotateman on 22-01-17, 04:46PM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Duracell on 22-01-17, 04:50PM
I am not denying what you are saying ,but if you read what I said in my last post ,I am referring to Welham Green DC .
As a whole,yes the union could have done more for Tesco employees across the whole of the business. At Welham Green DC ,we have acquired and protected a lot of good t&c s over the years(probably a major factor for getting closed down ) ,mainly due to the Union.
 

You must have very good local reps then.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 22-01-17, 08:39PM
Picktocube, are you suggesting that  because you at Welham Green have been lucky enough to have good Representatives that would be enough to make Tosco do away with your DC? If so thank goodness ours are sh*te.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: picktocube on 22-01-17, 08:52PM
No ,not at all ,in comparison to newer DC s,it is purely a money saving exercise,nothing to do with how good the reps are .
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: OpShunned on 22-01-17, 08:53PM
Snowy, USDAW reps have been castrated with a blunt instrument, and in front of their members. Whatever terms were favourably gained in years past have been wiped away in a swathe of cold-blooded cost-cutting decisions. Anyone still here in 5 years time will be on single rate for everything they do at level one operation. I'm quite certain Sunday trading will become a normal day's business and by then new starters will be signed up on pish-poor contracts.  What rights the union will be fighting for by then will be minimal.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Dark lerker on 22-01-17, 09:16PM
Picktocube, are you suggesting that  because you at Welham Green have been lucky enough to have good Representatives that would be enough to make Tosco do away with your DC? If so thank goodness ours are sh*te.  :D :D :D
Only time will tell what the Union will get for their workers, but Tosco will only give so much, we all know they will pull the plug as soon as they want to, they are shipping work out regularly on a weekly basis.
We are losing work tomorrow, the agency have been moved on.
As I said Tesco was a good company to work for once, but I'm affraid it's not a nice place to be at the moment.
It's a real shame.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 23-01-17, 03:20PM
It all sounds a bit defeatist doesn't it?  :(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: fargone on 23-01-17, 03:28PM
You never see anyone on VLH or facebook, lamenting the fact that they have left the company.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: dogslave on 23-01-17, 04:25PM
New Great Bear s*** money, no jobs at Donny. GREAT.
DSS here I come.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: snowyowl on 23-01-17, 06:15PM
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You never see anyone on VLH or facebook, lamenting the fact that they have left the company
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I couldn't agree with you more, I've never met anyone who has moved on that could understand why they had stayed with Tosco for so long and were over the moon to be out of it.
Sadly across the country there are thousands and thousands of people who for varying reasons can't move on,people who genuinely would love to move on.
      "I'll keep on trying, even if just to annoy them"   >:(
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Dark lerker on 23-01-17, 06:59PM
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You never see anyone on VLH or facebook, lamenting the fact that they have left the company
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I couldn't agree with you more, I've never met anyone who has moved on that could understand why they had stayed with Tosco for so long and were over the moon to be out of it.
Sadly across the country there are thousands and thousands of people who for varying reasons can't move on,people who genuinely would love to move on.
      "I'll keep on trying, even if just to annoy them"   >:(
I'm disappointed that I'm leaving Tosco in this manner, I have enjoyed most of my time and I've met many great friends, that I will miss alot.
But since the Tosco crash and the change of attitude of Tosco, they have alienated and c**pped on the people that have got them to number 1
From looking forward to going to work, to really hating going in within a couple of years is some feat by Tosco.
It's a shame but life goes on.
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: Dark lerker on 23-01-17, 07:10PM
It all sounds a bit defeatist doesn't it?  :(
Sorry but the way they are changing everything, stopping Nightshifts, then asking them to go back for Christmas, asking workers to do a permanent early shift then start calling 7/8/9am to go home tells me they don't know what they are doing.
Then they treat their workers like idiots, it has knocked the fight out of people.
However you want to paint this picture, it's sad .. but true 😞
Title: Re: Job losses
Post by: lackofinterest on 23-01-17, 08:24PM
You never see anyone on VLH or facebook, lamenting the fact that they have left the company.
Correct.  I don't know a single soul who isn't happier now they've left this mickey mouse outfit!!