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Dorothy C

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Skills Payment
« on: 02-12-17, 06:40AM »
Did I miss the November announcement?
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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #1 on: 02-12-17, 07:06AM »
There was a small section announcing it in the pay rise booklet. But if heard nothing since.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #2 on: 02-12-17, 09:56AM »
Think I've read somewhere it's been delayed. Probably be part of a structure change post Xmas.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #3 on: 05-12-17, 04:34PM »
The intention was to move to skills payment from it November 2017. However work is still ongoing to agree the final details, therefore no changes will take place at this stage.
This was on a Usdaw email. Pinned to our notice board.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #4 on: 05-12-17, 04:47PM »
Great taking more of our wages from us not enough to take premium pay from us.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #5 on: 07-12-17, 08:54AM »
The intention was to move to skills payment from it November 2017. However work is still ongoing to agree the final details, therefore no changes will take place at this stage.
This was on a Usdaw email. Pinned to our notice board.
Thank you Doctor Sleep. We had a dot com meeting with our SM and he knew f*** all about it. f*** me the pickers could moan for England.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #6 on: 07-12-17, 04:17PM »
You will be aware that as part of the 2017 pay review, it was agreed to move to one hourly rate of pay for all grades in Tesco retail, and introduce a skill's payment to recognise the skills needed to carry out D,E & F grade & team support,team leader & shift leader roles.
As a reminder, the rates of pay that were communicated earlier this year within the pay review booklet 2017 will not be affected by the introduction of skills payments.
The intention was to move to skills payment from it November 2017. However work is still ongoing to agree the final details, therefore no changes will take place at this stage.

This is the skills payments- Holding statement from the union sent to store's 30th November 17.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #7 on: 07-12-17, 04:23PM »
Thanks we had not heard anything usual communication,or lack of.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #8 on: 07-12-17, 06:34PM »
Can someone explain what this means in simple English 🤔

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #9 on: 09-12-17, 09:30PM »
Would I be right in thinking that all store staff will get a basic rate, then the skills payment would add to this depending on the skill level

eg basic £8

Skills 43p

Giving Hourly rate £8.43

For example?

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #10 on: 09-12-17, 09:57PM »
I reckon the skills payment has opened a can of worms. Should a butcher get more pay than a exiperenced merchandiser? Every role has responsibilities and what makes some (cutting meat) more important than deciding range/space.

Of course team support should get more pay than GAs but what value would you put on it. There is probably a pool of people who will do the task for no extra money......

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #11 on: 10-12-17, 08:13AM »
I agree people would do a TS role for no extra. You would only need to work when the shop is busy and the rest of the time everything is delegated. No aches and pains i'd do it for a £/hour less. Eff it throw them an extra quid to make them feel more important than a lowly GA as they might have to go to a disciplinary or do a holiday book.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #12 on: 10-12-17, 09:46AM »
Would I be right in thinking that all store staff will get a basic rate, then the skills payment would add to this depending on the skill level

eg basic £8

Skills 43p

Giving Hourly rate £8.43

For example?

The basic pay rate could not be less than the minimum wage, so any additional skills payments must be over and above that.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #13 on: 17-12-17, 12:15AM »
I reckon the skills payment has opened a can of worms. Should a butcher get more pay than a exiperenced merchandiser? Every role has responsibilities and what makes some (cutting meat) more important than deciding range/space.

Of course team support should get more pay than GAs but what value would you put on it. There is probably a pool of people who will do the task for no extra money......

Butcher is a recognised Trade. Merchandiser isn't.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #14 on: 17-12-17, 09:12AM »
more important than deciding range/space.

“Deciding”? Plans are just followed. I don’t see the big deal.
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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #15 on: 17-12-17, 03:25PM »
In theory Merchandisers just follow a plan; in practise they often have to make decisions where plans don't fit/shelving doesn't exist etc.

My point was there are probably lots of roles that could argue they should get a skills payment.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #16 on: 17-12-17, 04:50PM »
"Skill" at Tesco ;D

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #17 on: 28-01-18, 08:48PM »
I realise that a self-employed person may not have the benefits that I enjoy at a big company like Tesco but.....

I live in Gloucester, there is no location supplement, as a Delivery Driver I get £8.43.

There is a van that drives round '67 plate "Dog Walking £10 per hour" and "extra dog £5" written on the side

Dog walking - I mean - FFS - where is the effing skill in that

I know I could jack in Tesco and do the same but.......

I wonder if the average Tesco shopper realises what a pittance we are on.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #18 on: 28-01-18, 09:01PM »
ZyDer

It is an open buffet!

If you think you can make the same/more for less work go for it.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #19 on: 28-01-18, 09:08PM »

I wonder if the average Tesco shopper realises what a pittance we are on.

Perspective is an important thing.

I was talking to a care assistant worker, she is on minimum wage.
That's what, 7.80 something, for what is a nasty job at times.

I doubt she has much sympathy for your pittance.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #20 on: 28-01-18, 09:45PM »
Perspective can also be wrong. Look at some of the decisions Tesco have made short term gain for long term pain.

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #21 on: 29-01-18, 01:11AM »
ZyDer you need to think this through I’m afraid.  Anyone can go self-employed, and you can be very successful if you’re lucky.  However - you may charge £10 an hour for dog walking, or whatever, but that’s not what you get paid averaged out over a working week.  What about the hours when you get paid nothing?  What about the overheads of buying and running the van?  What about the coat of providing yourself with a pension?  What about the time and cost associated with doing your self-assessment tax returns?  What about the times when you are ill or on holiday or anything else that stops you from working?  The list goes on and on and on.  I’ve been there and it’s no bed of roses, believe me!

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #22 on: 29-01-18, 01:26AM »
Dog walkers also need insurance and have to pay someone to walk the dogs while they're on holidays. Business insurance for the van which has to be professionally fitted out with cages .
Saying that my cousin makes an amazing living out of it in central London.  It just takes the bravery to go for it !

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #23 on: 21-03-18, 10:47AM »
Due in July. We get one but our basic goes down by the same amount so you are left with exactly the same hourly rate. Both parts well be separately reviewed come pay rise time. You can guess the outcome. The skills payment will attract a lower % rise than the basic rate. Can't believe it's taken them since November to come up with jolly little wheeze?

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Re: Skills Payment
« Reply #24 on: 21-03-18, 11:03AM »
Does this muddy the waters when calculating minimum wage/NLW ?
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