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Title: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 10-01-18, 11:56PM
How does everyone feel about the company ending the option of paper payslips from April 2018 forcing everyone to view their pay online?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: KAZ on 11-01-18, 12:30AM
What?????????? >:(
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lackofinterest on 11-01-18, 02:07AM
banks and utility companies still give you the option. i think its a disgrace. f***ing ar**h*les  >:(. whatever happened to freedom of choice?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: weebee on 11-01-18, 02:44AM
Refuse to go online to see mine
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Welshie on 11-01-18, 02:46AM
First I've heard of it , I'm paperless anyway but by choice , wouldn't have wanted it forced upon me 😠
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Flatout on 11-01-18, 07:21AM
Tesco need to sort their payslips out before going paperless. At very least it should show hours paid and dates.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: RubyRed on 11-01-18, 07:25AM
I had paper so I’ve had mine online from the outset. My husbands company has had online payslips only for several years. I guess It’s Inevitable and the way forward for Tesco too.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: chris9997 on 11-01-18, 08:02AM
Not sure they can stop paper payslips, if you don't have internet you will never see it,they could install some sort of terminal in the staff room to just visit Tesco sites and payslipview.
Also would be a headache for mm ( hello mr manager went to the bank today pay was wrong manager : show us your pay slip staff: can't get it no internet? What to do then.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: claden on 11-01-18, 08:02AM
I work with someone who has no internet how would they are their wage slip? Where has this information come from?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 11-01-18, 08:38AM
It's come down on Comms Centre for attention of people manager. It's also being discussed on Yammer.

My concern is the IT can't cope with the limited number who currently use it how will it cope when everyone has to....
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: spike_pkh on 11-01-18, 08:49AM
I think it's a great idea.  The amount of money and time wasted by managers giving out payslips is ridiculous.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Weed on 11-01-18, 08:59AM
The amount of paper which lies about Tesco offices with peoples confidential details is ridiculous.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Peppa17 on 11-01-18, 09:05AM
I would imagine that this is all inline with Oracle launch.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 11-01-18, 09:48AM
Can anybody who thinks it is a good idea explain how those with out internet access and/or a printer proceed when they need x amount of past pay slips to satisfy a financial institution when trying to set up a new financial arrangement/loan/mortgage etc
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: bootsdaroff on 11-01-18, 09:53AM
It should never be happening. More people than you think don’t have internet or can cope with a laptop or tablet. Let’s believe who ever gets a wage slip on time. Used to get two or three at a time because the managers were hopeless at giving them out.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: just curious on 11-01-18, 10:14AM
I think it's a great idea.  The amount of money and time wasted by managers giving out payslips is ridiculous.

" Time Managers waste giving out wage slips "  :D :D ;D ;D ,  Its not nearly as much time as they waste doing lots of nothing that's  unimportant or they spend in the Costa area / canteens / offices etc . A decent manager would want to meet there staff with a wage slip and thank them for there work once a month .  ;) ;) .
I personally would be hounding a manager to give me internet access in store linked to a store printer and asking them to personally print me a copy of my wage slip off in my working time not my own unpaid time .
Perhaps solution to your problem if your to busy  " managing "  is to get the pointless manager to dish the wage slips out that way the pointless manager gets a little bit of something constructive to do and also gets the chance to personally meet all members of staff where staff can air any concerns / issues / gripes etc .  ;) :D ;D.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: theboss on 11-01-18, 11:16AM
Fact it's an option and it's not being forced on you, not confirmed as yet.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Pooch100 on 11-01-18, 12:15PM
I hate to tell you but as of April 2018 the company will no longer be producing paper payslips and that is fact......... the PMs got told yesterday.
One of the things they were told!!  ;D
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GasMonkey on 11-01-18, 12:42PM
No doubt that will be another staff announcement that we on the shop floor will never find out about
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Iron Giant on 11-01-18, 01:30PM
Ourtesco.com and the old handbook says we have the option of paper or online. As this surely forms part of the terms and conditions of our employment can they make this decision without consultation?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 11-01-18, 01:30PM
If this does transpire then I suggest employees request access and means at work to view/print their pay slip, in privacy of course.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Peppa17 on 11-01-18, 02:07PM
I think the plan with oracle is that the store have access to tablets/iPads for teams to use. Maybe if a trial store or someone that knows more about oracle is on here they could shed some light?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 11-01-18, 02:33PM
My bigger concern is very few people use the system at the moment and yet it still can't cope on payday. Seeing as the people who have already signed up are more than likely the most tech savvy employees can you imagine the frustration of some of our colleagues in just accessing the system to  find out why they were paid what they were.

Is the hope people won't check thereby allowing any potential error to go unnoticed.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: stockrotateman on 11-01-18, 04:43PM
 :thumbup: spot on, how often do employees find they haven't been paid overtime or holiday pay or find unknown deductions to there wages, unless slips can be printed off with employees permission in store, then this favours the managers and Tosca in general.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: spike_pkh on 11-01-18, 05:36PM
Can anybody who thinks it is a good idea explain how those with out internet access and/or a printer proceed when they need x amount of past pay slips to satisfy a financial institution when trying to set up a new financial arrangement/loan/mortgage etc

When one of our colleagues needed some pay slips printed off he asked one of our managers and they both went to office and got it using stores computers
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Gorgonzola on 11-01-18, 06:19PM
temised pay statement.
(1)
An employee has the right to be given by his employer, at or before the time at which any payment of wages or salary is made to him, a written itemised pay statement.
(2)
The statement shall contain particulars of—
(a)
the gross amount of the wages or salary,
(b)
the amounts of any variable, and (subject to section 9) any fixed, deductions from that gross amount and the purposes for which they are made,
(c)
the net amount of wages or salary payable, and
(d)
where different parts of the net amount are paid in different ways, the amount and method of payment of each part-payment.
Employment Rights Act 1996
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: CoffeeGate on 11-01-18, 06:34PM
Managers have only been able to access online slips for a while now, to be honest im not surprised if this is true, Tesco will no doubt spin it as 'saving the environment' by reducing paper or something along those lines.
I for one prefer being able to view online but 100% understand there is a large portion of the workforce who wouldn't know how to access them. I foresee queues a mile long on the day before payday as people form a line for their manager to download and print off a payslip for them.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 11-01-18, 07:50PM
http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/payslips-whats-the-law.157546/ (http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/payslips-whats-the-law.157546/)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: kaled78 on 11-01-18, 08:06PM
be intresting to see what happens to the books of c**ppy vouchers they give you each month if this rolls out
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 12-01-18, 10:40AM
I believe by what I have read that to 'roll it out' the minimum they would need to provide is the means in store, or elsewhere, to view and print them out.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Jerrymouse on 12-01-18, 10:54AM
Im new to Tesco and so got first pay today but no payslip, I've sent there is a tesco onsite payslip site but it does not recognize my 4 digit employee card off clocking in card

Where do I find employee code if I never get to see first payslip?

thanks
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: cityboy on 12-01-18, 11:47AM
Jerrymouse, I've worked at Tesco for a long time, and I can't answer your questions, but ask an experienced colleague to help you, if they don't know themselves, they will find out, I can assure you of that. Otherwise, ask your Union Rep.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Morris999 on 12-01-18, 12:07PM
Jerrymouse, payslips are often a couple of days late, so if they are not instore today they have normally arrived by Monday.
Regarding online payslips, to access this you actually need your paper payslip, whereas there will be a code at the bottom which will allow you access to it!
I believe this code changes every payslip until you actually use it.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Monkeymagic on 12-01-18, 05:58PM
What a fuss about not having a payslip, maybe we should reopen the small windows where you can have cash passed through in a small envelope, for those of us not in the 21st century yet😀
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GasMonkey on 12-01-18, 06:21PM
@Monkeymagic And what happens if you need to produce payslips from previous months for something like a bank loan , mortgage ?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Weed on 12-01-18, 06:45PM
no one will be able to get a mortgage at tesco with all the low hour flexi work
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GasMonkey on 12-01-18, 06:52PM
@Weed And that is incorrect
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Weed on 12-01-18, 07:30PM
or should i say you wont be able to get a half decent amount.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 12-01-18, 08:52PM
What a fuss about not having a payslip, maybe we should reopen the small windows where you can have cash passed through in a small envelope, for those of us not in the 21st century yet😀

Which quiet often had your pay details on one side, but why stop there just give out 2 packets of rice, parsnip, leek and a jar of value sauce  8-)  :P
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: penguin on 12-01-18, 09:09PM
be intresting to see what happens to the books of c**ppy vouchers they give you each month if this rolls out


Voucher booklets will continue to be issued on payday as usual after this change, despite what people think the books and payslips are not printed in the same place.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: David1 on 13-01-18, 07:18AM
I don't usually comment but online payslips are common in many industries/businesses.
You can log on and review previous payslips usually for 12 months but some employers allow a longer period.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lucgeo on 13-01-18, 07:57AM
What a fuss about not having a payslip, maybe we should reopen the small windows where you can have cash passed through in a small envelope, for those of us not in the 21st century yet😀

Royal Mail still pay their employees weekly, and they post their wage slips to their addresses weekly. 21st century, big corporation  ;)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Monkeymagic on 13-01-18, 08:48AM
What a fuss about not having a payslip, maybe we should reopen the small windows where you can have cash passed through in a small envelope, for those of us not in the 21st century yet😀

Royal Mail still pay their employees weekly, and they post their wage slips to their addresses weekly. 21st century, big corporation  ;)

Maybe so, I’m kind of making a comparison when we used to be paid cash weekly then overnight practically were told ‘oh, now you’ll be 4 weekly paid into your bank’. Just had to deal with it, (did you notice the TRUMP tone😆)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Weed on 13-01-18, 10:02AM
I don't usually comment but online payslips are common in many industries/businesses.
You can log on and review previous payslips usually for 12 months but some employers allow a longer period.

Hello David1

How's the payslip looking.

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Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Chojac2412 on 13-01-18, 12:24PM
I object to having to print out own payslip. When the option first came in they said that they would put a terminal in every store so we could print one out if needed but that never happened. I object to paying for the ink and paper. Not everyone is set up to print from home, even if online, not everyone has a printer.
I think the company need to look at the whole print thing. We get lovely colourful briefs come down in block colour but has anyone ever told those in the ivory towers that we never print in colour from store. Even though we don't print in colour it is still using black ink and often a total waste of paper with just a heading on one page with block colour. With the amount of communications that come down daily this all adds up.
The payslips have block blue colour. The communications have block colours. I understand how things stand out more if presented like this but we only need the detail. I know that a print only version can be found for many things online but last time I looked, I must admit this was years ago, a print only version was not available but even if it was would this be clear to the majority.
We can claim a small bit of tax relief for washing our own unifirms, can we also claim if we now need to print our own payslips.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Blackcat3 on 13-01-18, 03:30PM
Jerrymouse you need your employee no which is 8 digits to register for online payslips I think
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Loki on 14-01-18, 08:22AM
Interesting ....

http://www.f2ol.co.uk/blog-post/can-employers-lawfully-provide-electronic-payslips-instead-of-printed-paysl (http://www.f2ol.co.uk/blog-post/can-employers-lawfully-provide-electronic-payslips-instead-of-printed-paysl)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 14-01-18, 11:54AM
Very interesting, good find.  The right to a written/printed payslip on or prior to being paid seems undeniable.  At the very least the employer would need to provide those who are without PC and/or printer a private area at their place of work to view/print their payslip, and probably also including those who do not wish to use their own home equipment and/or materials for what ever reason(s), at the least not without some compensation for wear and tear or consumables.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: stockrotateman on 14-01-18, 12:17PM
On the wage slip site, every time the page is opened it comes up with the do you want to keep printed wage slips or not then asks for your choice. Anyone with a bank account or utilities accounts are always being prompted to go paperless, which is the individuals choice, bringing this in Tosco without giving employees a choice of yes or no is asking for trouble,in the event of an employee going to a tribunal to resolve a pay dispute and explaining the problems of obtaining a printed wage slip which Loki points out the employers must provide.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: cosmosmallpiece on 14-01-18, 04:41PM
Looks like they are going to do it  brief has come down .
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Weed on 14-01-18, 04:47PM
Is the brief now available for the new financial year?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 14-01-18, 06:26PM
Very interesting, good find.  The right to a written/printed payslip on or prior to being paid seems undeniable.  At the very least the employer would need to provide those who are without PC and/or printer a private area at their place of work to view/print their payslip, and probably also including those who do not wish to use their own home equipment and/or materials for what ever reason(s), at the least not without some compensation for wear and tear or consumables.
(1)
An employee has the right to be given by his employer, at or before the time at which any payment of wages or salary is made to him, a written itemised pay statement.
(2)
The statement shall contain particulars of—
(a)
the gross amount of the wages or salary,
(b)
the amounts of any variable, and (subject to section 9) any fixed, deductions from that gross amount and the purposes for which they are made,
(c)
the net amount of wages or salary payable, and
(d)
where different parts of the net amount are paid in different ways, the amount and method of payment of each part-payment.

Employment Rights act 1996 ,

The key word is (written ) It does not say it has to be printed ,,

My understanding is that they could E mail it to you , send it in a tex form ,or any electronic way so long as it is in a written form ,

A friend  That works for a HR firm says that any company that sets up a system in which you have to log on with a password set up by your self is complying with the act ,  since it also covers the data protection act .

Another thing I was thinking about was , Has the Union As part of the collective bargaining agreed to this ? if they have then would anyone have any ways to complain about it ?,

I my self remember getting my first wage in a brown packet with total pay then minus tax =net pay and that was it  8-)




Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 14-01-18, 06:43PM
Managers have only been able to access online slips for a while now, to be honest im not surprised if this is true, Tesco will no doubt spin it as 'saving the environment' by reducing paper or something along those lines.
I for one prefer being able to view online but 100% understand there is a large portion of the workforce who wouldn't know how to access them. I foresee queues a mile long on the day before payday as people form a line for their manager to download and print off a payslip for them.

My better half says she has been getting my pay slips on line for at least 10 years if not longer ,
as to the mile long queues ,, Since the pay slip will only go into your wage box and only you will have the pass word , the manager will not be able to help,
or will do so only as a one off ,
and by the way You must be in the only store that has so many staff that you could form a queue a mile long , lucky you ... ;D
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 14-01-18, 07:31PM
notsofunny, what is your solution for those employees who do not have a PC and/or do not have internet is  :question:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/write (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/write)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 14-01-18, 08:03PM
Most have phones that do connect up to the Internet, as well as work computers , I am sure a manger will allow someone to get on line in store ,
Then do what i do for those few that are older than me, Buddy up with someone to get them connected up ,

Just read that in 2016 89% of housholds had Internet conection , that does not include those that have accses at work, or on the phone ,

My only solution is to get on with it , changes happen , just look at the way pensions and other benifits get paid, as well as having to apply for jobs ,getting a new passport form, bording pass for flights list is endless ,

I personely think that its not a matter of someone not having Internet conection , Its more about being scared of change , I hated having to put my pin into use my credit CARD , I hated it when a was forced to use self serv ,

I also think that this is the best thing that can happen to those that are scared to use Internet  , this will open a new window to them ,
This will all work out fine for every one, so long as we all help out , And reason i say WE , is that i dont hold out much faith with the company doing so , :(

Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: alf on 14-01-18, 09:36PM
notsofunny, what is your solution for those employees who do not have a PC and/or do not have internet is  :question:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/write (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/write)

If you're using that logic, the current paper payslips we receive aren't "written".
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 14-01-18, 11:25PM

Alf its not my Logic ,

Its what the 1996 act says , so if you want to split hairs about it then please feel free to do so ,
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: alf on 15-01-18, 12:04AM
I wasn't replying to you, hence why I quoted nomad.

But for clarity, I'm merely pointing out the faulty logic in dismissing the legitimacy of electronic payslips due to them not being "written", as our current paper payslips are not "written".

Of course this is all rather redundant as the governments own website clarifies that electronic payslips are totally permissible, Employers can choose whether they provide printed or electronic (online) payslips.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 15-01-18, 02:03AM
sorry :'(
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: TheOLDone on 15-01-18, 02:14AM
Did you know noodles sales were down in China last year ? Bad times !!
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Gorgonzola on 15-01-18, 06:07AM
Alf
On which government website does it state that employers can choose between electronic and paper?
Thanks
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: dairyfresh on 15-01-18, 07:50AM
https://www.gov.uk/payslips (https://www.gov.uk/payslips)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 15-01-18, 09:57AM
From the link, the employer has to provide a payslip, it can be printed or electronic (online).

In the case of electronic if employee has no internet access then they have not provided them with one.  There is no mention of any responsibility being on the employee to obtain it anyway they can, they have to be given/provided with a payslip, and they should be able to obtain it in complete privacy.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Ronnie on 15-01-18, 09:58AM
I don't mind but I do know half a dozen people who will
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: rogersmart on 16-01-18, 02:27PM
Oh for goodness sake - what a load of fuss about nothing!  Accessing your payslip online is so easy and as others have said you can do it on your phone so you don’t need a computer.  In any case you don’t need to print them out - download a copy each time and save it on your phone/tablet/computer.  It’s all so much more convenient than paper. 

The other thing that you moaners are missing completely is that it’s in all our interests for Tesco to make itself as efficient as possible - lower operating costs = more cash to spend on staff.  Why would any of us want our employer to spend money if it can be avoided? 

You moan about paper payslips being hard to understand; you moan about paper payslips arriving late; you moan about everything!  In the meantime, those companies like Amazon that have completely locked in to the online world are marching into the future with Tesco in danger of being left behind.  Just get real.  As I have said before - if you have such little regard for Tesco then go and work somewhere else.  End of Rant!
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: bootsdaroff on 16-01-18, 04:05PM
Oh we have another company man/woman in our midst. Sorry some of us are not as computer literate as yourself. Rant over
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 16-01-18, 04:18PM
I agree. Whilst to many 20 some things the thought of going online & downloading & saving something is dead simple; I have a number of colleagues who struggle with anything online. Yes the future probably is online and yes it probably is cheaper but surely we should as a company recognise that not everyone is computer literate

Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: just curious on 16-01-18, 04:41PM
Oh for goodness sake - what a load of fuss about nothing!  Accessing your payslip online is so easy and as others have said you can do it on your phone so you don’t need a computer.  In any case you don’t need to print them out - download a copy each time and save it on your phone/tablet/computer.  It’s all so much more convenient than paper. 

The other thing that you moaners are missing completely is that it’s in all our interests for Tesco to make itself as efficient as possible - lower operating costs = more cash to spend on staff.  Why would any of us want our employer to spend money if it can be avoided? 

You moan about paper payslips being hard to understand; you moan about paper payslips arriving late; you moan about everything!  In the meantime, those companies like Amazon that have completely locked in to the online world are marching into the future with Tesco in danger of being left behind.  Just get real.  As I have said before - if you have such little regard for Tesco then go and work somewhere else.  End of Rant!

I love your second paragraph about it being in our interest for Tosco to make itself as efficient as possible - lower operating cost = more money to spend on staff .  :) :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D .
I think you need to go to the in store Costa coffee area if you have one and smell the aromas ( if you can afford a Costa on Tosco wages even buy a cup ) , and then have a good long think about when Tosco ever spent anything on staff other than the bare essentials and necessities .   ??? 8-)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 16-01-18, 04:55PM
@rogersmart: "lower operating costs = more cash to spend on staff"

I think you must have had your tongue in cheek with that line  ??? however best laugh I've had in a while  ;D  I did consider, as an Admin,  moving your entire post to the joke thread.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Weed on 16-01-18, 07:11PM
Save the rain forest!
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: just curious on 16-01-18, 07:37PM
@ Pilot

Tell head office to save the rain forest ( and lower operating cost  ;) :D :D ;D ;D ) , by not printing duplicate shelf edge labels , team five memos , promotion end copy's , and endless other pieces of useless junk that get printed / duplicated unnecessarily daily in every store .  :-X :-X
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Weed on 16-01-18, 07:48PM
@ Just Curious

I would if I could but trying to get through to the Senior Team at Tesco can be difficult. They are too busy sucking each other off.  >:D

They fire a rifle at you for surrendering!
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lackofinterest on 17-01-18, 01:06AM
@rogersmart: "lower operating costs = more cash to spend on staff"

I think you must have had your tongue in cheek with that line  ??? however best laugh I've had in a while  ;D  I did consider, as an Admin,  moving your entire post to the joke thread.
:thumbup: ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lackofinterest on 17-01-18, 01:11AM
@rogersmartarse. your talent as a comedian is wasted working for tosco (-*-)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: tumshie on 17-01-18, 12:29PM
Our dept has just been told that some of the daily bumf that's printed automatically is to be reduced or removed altogether and that this will save X million sheets of paper per day.
I must say, over the last several years, it never crossed our minds that that could be possible.
I wish we had thought of it, as we could have mentioned it to management and action would have swiftly been taken.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: tumshie on 17-01-18, 12:42PM
Think of the time lost to chats with managers and to lowered work rates because of colleagues' general p**sed-offness thanks to the ridiculous way the figures are shown on payslips, and to the many mistakes in them.

When a mistake is queried, the first thing a manager says is "Give me a photocopy", so you have to be able to get a hard copy in that instance.


Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: the rule book on 22-01-18, 10:35AM
Ludicrous, the pay slip borders on illegal. In fact it was illegal and pay outs were made. How many people noticed the company was paying under the minimum wage?

The one and only reason they got away with it for so long is the madness of that pay slip.


If we go paperless how about a weekly on line payslip?
How's that's for radical?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Duff McKagan on 20-02-18, 04:16PM
I’ve now been locked out of my online payslips account, does anyone know who I need to contact to get it unlocked? It says talk to your line manager, personnel manager or complaince manager...all very well but I’m a night worker who never sees the personnel manager...not even sure there is one anymore..rarely see the compliance manager..again..not even sure there is one any more and frankly I’d be wasting my time talking to my line manager. My thought is to talk to the wages clerk..but again I rarely see him...Is there a phone number or email address I can contact someone at?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: minion on 20-02-18, 04:37PM
Just put a note in the post box outside the confidential office and the wage clerk will see it and send a form via workplan to get it reset.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Duff McKagan on 20-02-18, 04:46PM
In all honesty I’m not sure we have a box outside our confidential room...I’ll have to check...our store is..umm..different
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: minion on 20-02-18, 06:08PM
If there's no post box put it in a sealed envelope addressed to the wage clerk and stick it under the door. Worth a try.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: tumshie on 20-02-18, 10:00PM
Maybe there's a pigeon hole for the wage clerk, along with managers' pigeon holes?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: my little pony on 22-02-18, 09:43PM
On your payslip where it says dept there is a letter in brackets. Can anyone tell me what this means. Mine says (D), Thanks.

A friend has the letter (C) What is the difference?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: pitdiver on 24-02-18, 11:32AM
I have been trying to log in to  my on line payslip. It's a pain the arse.  I got in once but when I tried again I got the log in details wrong so now can't get in.  One of the questions asked is what is the colour of your car.  As I don't remember what car I had when I first set it up I don't seem to get this right.

As for a terminal in the store we were told no you will have go to the library and get it printed out there, that's assuming you are a member.  If you are it will cost you 20p to print it out.
 
Then there is an issue with P60s. They are an absolute requirement so you can keep an eye on your tax. My pension providers send me P60s with no question s about an online copy.

I think Tesco need to review this plan.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: mexicopete on 24-02-18, 11:59AM
As for a terminal in the store we were told no you will have go to the library and get it printed out there, that's assuming you are a member.  If you are it will cost you 20p to print it out. Another Tesco you couldn't really make up moment. :( :( :( :( :(
 
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Weed on 24-02-18, 12:51PM
20p f*** Off   (-*-)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 24-02-18, 07:23PM
I have been trying to log in to  my on line payslip. It's a pain the arse.  I got in once but when I tried again I got the log in details wrong so now can't get in.  One of the questions asked is what is the colour of your car.  As I don't remember what car I had when I first set it up I don't seem to get this right.

As for a terminal in the store we were told no you will have go to the library and get it printed out there, that's assuming you are a member.  If you are it will cost you 20p to print it out.
 
Then there is an issue with P60s. They are an absolute requirement so you can keep an eye on your tax. My pension providers send me P60s with no question s about an online copy.

I think Tesco need to review this plan.

No one is going to review this plan ,so its just best we all do it correctly when we log on,
When setting your passwords  tell the truth and pick things like whats you fav Colour  ,whats your best friends name ,,, as being the  reset reminders , those things mostly never change ,,
As to p60  why does your pension providers send you one ? 
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: tumshie on 24-02-18, 08:34PM
Pension provider has to give you your yearly totals of money paid to you, and tax paid, the same as an employer does.

No, no-one is going to review this. Why would Tesco bother?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: pitdiver on 24-02-18, 09:08PM
I know it won't change but it feels good to get it off your chest.  As someone has said Pension Providers have to send a P60.  I have three pensions from previous employers and my wife gets two from previous employers including Tosco
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 25-02-18, 01:19AM

ok so you and your wife are pensioners ? first time i heard you would get p60 from each of them , thanks for that
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 25-02-18, 02:56PM
Anyone else constantly having issues signing in? Been reset twice now and now once again blocked. Seriously I know where I met my wife and the colour of my car.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Expressdude2016 on 25-02-18, 06:30PM
What are you signing in on ? When I do it on my phone and put in answers come up as wrong but when doing on laptop can enter it no problem.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 25-02-18, 08:19PM
My mobile....

Will try a laptop next time
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: pitdiver on 25-02-18, 09:33PM
I'm locked out as well. It says contact personnel. That's funny as I believe our PM has gone
Very interesting All I want to do is reset my password  and have some questions that I can remember the answers to. As what colour isn't car I don't know as I can't remember what carI had when I set the damn thing up. Why does it have to be something that can change.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 25-02-18, 10:32PM
From what i remember you had a choice to make, like I did for what they would ask you for, You must have asked for (what is you car colour ) I decided on what is your fav Colour , so I think you have to blame yourself as to what you get asked.
Also when you get blocked, cant you try again after 10 minutes then 20 minutes 30 minutes ? and when it says contact your Personnel Talk to your Admin.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Welshie on 26-02-18, 08:35AM
My questions are , mothers maiden name and  husbands name , So maybe there was a list ??
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: FarmerFred on 26-02-18, 09:01AM
I think that there's six different questions & you will be asked to answer a different two questions each time.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 26-02-18, 09:35AM
Your answers to the questions can be whatever you choose, they do not have to be truthful, just remembered by you.

Example:
Car colour - pink
Spouses name - Einstein
Mothers name - dracula

 ;)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: astra98 on 03-03-18, 05:47PM
Hi my first post so bare with. I set my husbands online payslip up first time and used specific answers to the questions that he could only know, I also wrote them down as I did them and all worked well, saw his payslip online was working, but when I then logged out and tried to log in using the answers I had just put in it said they were wrong!!! Now we both need new activation codes!! I have also been locked out of Inform, Yammer and Colleague room, all saying I’ve entered wrong password but I know I haven’t, I’ve given up with them but I need a payslip, has anyone else had these issues?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Clyde on 03-03-18, 08:46PM
Hi my first post so bare with. I set my husbands online payslip up first time and used specific answers to the questions that he could only know, I also wrote them down as I did them and all worked well, saw his payslip online was working, but when I then logged out and tried to log in using the answers I had just put in it said they were wrong!!! Now we both need new activation codes!! I have also been locked out of Inform, Yammer and Colleague room, all saying I’ve entered wrong password but I know I haven’t, I’ve given up with them but I need a payslip, has anyone else had these issues?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Emzilli on 03-03-18, 09:47PM
I couldn't even register to view my online payslip so who knows what I am doing wrong! When asked for the activation code, I went to type the one from my recent payslip in and it wouldn't type letters only numbers (or the other way around, I can't remember). I forgot to go back and try again and see what I was doing.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Micky1963 on 17-03-18, 01:15PM
I've just been reading through this thread and the question in my head still appears not to have been answered. I was told by my Manager that on-line payslips & P60's were now obligatory. But when I registered on-line and each time I return, a window comes up asking me to choose whether I want paper payslips & P60's. Is anyone else as confused as me? Is it obligatory or not?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: chris9997 on 17-03-18, 01:34PM
I expect after April that window will disappear
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: frase344 on 17-03-18, 09:58PM
The answers to the questions are all case sensitive.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Expressdude2016 on 18-03-18, 03:11AM
I've just been reading through this thread and the question in my head still appears not to have been answered. I was told by my Manager that on-line payslips & P60's were now obligatory. But when I registered on-line and each time I return, a window comes up asking me to choose whether I want paper payslips & P60's. Is anyone else as confused as me? Is it obligatory or not?

It will update soon to remove that question. Payslips etc have now stopped.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Expressdude2016 on 18-03-18, 03:14AM
I couldn't even register to view my online payslip so who knows what I am doing wrong! When asked for the activation code, I went to type the one from my recent payslip in and it wouldn't type letters only numbers (or the other way around, I can't remember). I forgot to go back and try again and see what I was doing.

The activation code is 4 digit number. If you have never registered before it should be on payslip in the box at bottom aswell it’s not the OTP one with letters and numbers that’s for thecolleagueroom . If it’s not there you need to ask your  wages clerk to send form off and payroll would post you out a new codex
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Micky1963 on 18-03-18, 12:17PM
Has anyone had difficulties logging on "Payslipview" on more than one device? I've registered and logged on with my laptop and then tried to log on with my iPhone and been unsuccessful.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Expressdude2016 on 18-03-18, 04:38PM
Yeh mickey happens to me to
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Gorgonzola on 28-03-18, 02:08PM
Anybody know how to register for online payslips.
I just get a box asking for employee number and password but no way to register?
The one-time registration code from October does not work ???
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 05-04-18, 07:31PM
Anyone else having trouble getting logged in? Says I have got my wives name wrong......
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 05-04-18, 08:38PM
Anybody know how to register for online payslips.
I just get a box asking for employee number and password but no way to register?
The one-time registration code from October does not work ???

use the code on your last pay slip ,,

londoner83 ,,no not having any problems , you sure you only have one wife ? ??? ;) ;) :D

Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: billandben on 05-04-18, 10:32PM
I got on no prob. but my partner could not. It looks like you can only have 1 account per computer. This is a pain as we share the same pc
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Welshie on 05-04-18, 11:01PM
I am logged in on my phone because partner uses laptop for his , it's a pain !
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: gomezz on 05-04-18, 11:07PM
As an ex IT person that is just dumb!  :o
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Spidercatcher on 06-04-18, 03:29PM
Maybe for those with multiple employees within one family using the same computer, clicking the 'this is a public computer' option might help? Dunno, haven't tried it myself but it's worth a try.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: trolleyboy96 on 06-04-18, 04:39PM
Yep via public as I’ve used my work phone to support colleagues today accessing there wageslip.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 06-04-18, 06:38PM
It's ironic it tells you to contact your PM or compliance manger to reset your account. Did the web designer not hear they were made redundant?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lucgeo on 08-04-18, 11:27AM
Oh ffks I have tried repeatedly to access my payslip for this month!! Used march's activation code, used MY employee number, used MY date of birth, matched the catchpra, and am told I'm denied access and now locked out due to four unsuccessful attempts >:( >:(
Anybody  ??? ???
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GasMonkey on 08-04-18, 01:29PM
Same here
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lackofinterest on 08-04-18, 01:45PM
typical tesco f*** up as usual. we'll save money, f*** it if it effects staff!! >:(
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Blackcat3 on 08-04-18, 02:50PM
We were told the wages clerks can request a new code for you once CM and PM went
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: helpme on 08-04-18, 04:31PM
Just another way to scam staff. If you can't see your payslip they will do as they please.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Carparkpothole on 10-04-18, 06:13PM
This is getting beyond a joke now, I still can't access my payslip  >:(
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 10-04-18, 06:53PM
Is anyone able to advise on legal remedies available to a colleague unable to get their payslip In breach of their legal right?

If you go on Yammer/OurTesco there are hundreds of people in the same position. The silence from Head Office is deafening
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 10-04-18, 07:59PM
I think that when the law says that employer MUST supply a pay slip (paper or digital) if digital then the onus is on them to get the digital pay slip to the employee, not the employees responsibility to utilise a (troublesome) logging in system.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 10-04-18, 08:51PM
If they made it easy for everyone to log on, without any security , then we would be the first to complain , Even if we have hundreds that are having a problem , we have to find out how many are having a problem due to them for getting the name of the wife or what car they had , as it is hundreds is a drop in the ,,,,,,,,,,, when we have 450k that don't have a problem , don't forget this system is not new , It has been used for some years, I for one cant remember when i last had a paper one , and my wife says its about 7/8/9 years since she has been logging on to look my pay up,,
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 11-04-18, 03:33PM
My point is that the employer must supply a pay slip TO the employee, not merely a way for them obtain it.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 11-04-18, 04:00PM
does anyone think they will go back to paper ? i for one don't think so , and as such its a matter of getting on with it , those that are having problems will one way or the other get it sorted and that will be the end of it , on the positive side less a4 papers printed and left around the canteen along with 450k less envelopes with plastic windows that cant be recycled ,
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Carparkpothole on 11-04-18, 05:22PM
It's the fact that thousands of staff are having problems even though they are entering the 'CORRECT' information that is the isue.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 11-04-18, 05:32PM
It's also the fact that multiple people have had their passwords reset  3 or 4 times yet are still blocked
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Darth Tosco on 13-04-18, 05:04PM
1 week later and still the same issues.  I can only get as far as typing in the catchphra underneath where to type date of birth, and every time it says incorrect info and locks me out. I've never got as far as choosing security questions.  Guessing our glorious company are in no rush to sort out the technical issues.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: strebor on 13-04-18, 05:17PM
It's been donkeys years since I had a pay slip in an envelope with a plastic window don't think I've ever had one printed on A4 paper lol
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 13-04-18, 05:37PM
Seems a test case is needed with regard to digital pay slip availability (or not) as the case maybe.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Chojac2412 on 14-04-18, 08:33AM
The way I understand it is the password that was on your payslip is only good for 28 days so if you did not register by the time the paperless started it wouldn't work. The wages clerk needs to request a new code on the old MyActions system but you have to wait 3-5 days after this has been done before trying to sign in.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Carparkpothole on 14-04-18, 10:08AM
The problem isn't activating it for most people, it's not being able to get back in afterwards.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Chojac2412 on 15-04-18, 07:36AM
The issue in my store is people who have never registered.
Those who have and can't get in are few and far between.
Wages clerk said that, I was surprised but she is helping everyone and she says its not a big issue as the majority are on and sorted. however, we do have a laptop that has been set up and made available to us, along with a printer.
I can see that the printing side of things is the biggest issue. There are loads who have laptops, tablets etc but not always printers.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lucgeo on 17-04-18, 04:48PM
Ok, call me thick.....but I can't find the pay view site I was on last week, with the empl no: d.o.b. activation code and catchpra  ??? ??? Anyone got the link, the one I'm getting isn't associated with tesco??   
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: brucie on 17-04-18, 05:20PM
Lucgeo try the link on the vlh home page on right hand side.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lucgeo on 17-04-18, 07:15PM
Back of the net brucie  :thumbup: many thanks, hope VLH keeps the link going as no way, going by Tescos ability to c**k things up and make the simplest thing extremely difficult, would I find that on my own :(
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: The-shelf-filler on 19-04-18, 03:42AM
I've been using the online payslips since it came out because I got fed up of waiting for my paper one and I've never ever had a problem signing in or even creating my online payslips account.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: gomezz on 19-04-18, 10:34AM
Perhaps people having trouble logging in should tell us what device they are using as that may indicate a common problem.  For example, I am able to log on from the laptop running Windows 8.1 and the IE11 browser.

(for example my Android tablet had / has a habit of adding an extra space to the end when entering a password and you have to remember to delete it)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Duracell on 19-04-18, 01:14PM
The problem isn't activating it for most people, it's not being able to get back in afterwards.

What I found frustrating is having previously registered I was unable to log on, went through the “See your manager to contact us to get you a new activation code, code sent, yet on returning to the site and putting in my payroll number in, it detects i’m Previously registered so had no facility to input a new activation code !!!

I went back through lots of back up stuff I have to find the original details, hey presto able to get on. I don’t know what would of happened if I hadn’t found original details.

What needs to change is you need to be able to contact them yourself, not go through a manager or clerk, its your private data activation codes and the like should be secure direct to you.

Established new log on details, but what a mess.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 19-04-18, 05:12PM
Wonder why we cant have a reset E mail sent to us like we have for other on line actions we do, or a code sent to the phone number we use ? that would or should make things easy and stop the need to get everyone involved in some thing that should be simple.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Carparkpothole on 20-04-18, 05:13PM
Nothing has been done or said about the login problems, the only way to get them to listen could be ACAS.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lucgeo on 21-04-18, 10:37AM
Well, anyone else get their payslip through the post this morning?? Got mine with the activation code to log in  ;)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Carparkpothole on 26-04-18, 06:05PM
3 weeks after payday and nothing has been rectified, any acknowledgement about the problem from Tesco would be nice.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: forrestgimp on 30-04-18, 01:12PM
Do I have to ask for a new number thingy because I didnt really understand what to do and I read on here the number on my last paper payslip will be out of date? Bit of a bummer why cant I get a number online to log in with?

Tesco obfuscate the payslips as it is so you cant read the damn things now they dont want you to get one at all.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 30-04-18, 02:32PM
Well, anyone else get their payslip through the post this morning?? Got mine with the activation code to log in  ;)

If you got your problem sorted then I am sure others would be grateful how you went about doing it.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: optout on 30-04-18, 09:18PM
go to wage clerk and have them get you a new number
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: hornimans135 on 01-05-18, 11:01AM
I have spent the last six weeks trying to sort this out aand am getting nowhere. I have seen managers,  wage clerks phone up at my expense many times and many of them haven,t a clue  and have a one track mind. Tesco should have sorted this out for us not us trying to sort this out myself. Maybe  I should sen them a bill for my time and expenses incurred. Anyone any Ideas what I should do now?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Carparkpothole on 01-05-18, 04:07PM
Ring the protector line.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: londoner83 on 01-05-18, 06:44PM
Put in a terms and conditions grievance.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lucgeo on 01-05-18, 06:57PM
So what happens to grievances now?? Only dignity at work goes directly out of store, so who deals with the instore ones, the area People's manager ? If so, does it carry more weight now, as the head of area PM's will be made aware, and the few I have known, don't have a high regard for SM's  ??? ???
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lucgeo on 01-05-18, 07:03PM
Well, anyone else get their payslip through the post this morning?? Got mine with the activation code to log in  ;)

If you got your problem sorted then I am sure others would be grateful how you went about doing it.

My apologies, my previous TM's filing drawer was cleared out by admin, and found a payslip from Feb, so posted it to me, as I was on annual leave. Never checked the date, just assumed 8-)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Vanilla24 on 01-05-18, 10:38PM
In my store we got a phone number we should call if we have any problem related electronic payslip.
01992808556

They helped me with mine and I was able to get my activation code even though I've been told they shouldn't give this info over the phone.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Avrilb on 03-05-18, 10:22AM
 ;D ;D ;D the payslipview website has crashed complete bunch of Muppets
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: bobbywm on 04-05-18, 07:56PM
 Posting here because it is pay slip related.  I've noticed the last few pay slips I have a bit at the bottom where it says minus hours   with a minus amount.   Anyone know what that's about  ?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: The-shelf-filler on 05-05-18, 01:40AM
Best to ask your manager regarding loss of hours I'm afraid.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GasMonkey on 05-05-18, 09:20AM
Posting here because it is pay slip related.  I've noticed the last few pay slips I have a bit at the bottom where it says minus hours   with a minus amount.   Anyone know what that's about  ?

Most time it is either you have been late clocking in or unauthorised absence if neither of these apply you need to talk to someone in store to get to the bottom of this.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: bobbywm on 05-05-18, 12:24PM
Posting here because it is pay slip related.  I've noticed the last few pay slips I have a bit at the bottom where it says minus hours   with a minus amount.   Anyone know what that's about  ?

Most time it is either you have been late clocking in or unauthorised absence if neither of these apply you need to talk to someone in store to get to the bottom of this.
I'm often a minute or so late clocking in.  Never more than 2.    But they've never docked me before.   Yet  I'm often clocking out 5- 10 minutes after shift.    Typically they're quick enough to take it away one side.     
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: chris9997 on 05-05-18, 01:37PM
There should be no docking of wages for clocking in late/clocking out early it is against the law i believe it is classed as unlawful deduction of wages clocking in late out/early is a conduct issue and needs to be done through the proper channels.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GasMonkey on 05-05-18, 01:51PM
They ain’t going to pay you for time you have not worked and if you are late unless it is down to circumstances beyond your control it’s your fault your late.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: chris9997 on 05-05-18, 02:48PM
They ain’t going to pay you for time you have not worked and if you are late unless it is down to circumstances beyond your control it’s your fault your late.
yes they are if in doubt ask a union rep or to look under wiki pages “lateness”
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GasMonkey on 05-05-18, 06:00PM
Can my employer deduct my pay for coming late to work?
Employers should find out why an employee is late and should not unfairly penalise the employee if there is a valid reason. On their part, employees should be responsible in coming to work on time and inform their employer as early as possible if they are unable to do so.

Your employer may deduct your salary for being absent from work. However, the amount of deduction cannot exceed the period of absence. The authorised salary deductions are listed in the Employment Act.

If you were 30 minutes late, only 30 minute’s salary can be deducted.

Taken from here
http://www.mom.gov.sg/faq/salary/can-my-employer-deduct-my-pay-for-coming-late-to-work (http://www.mom.gov.sg/faq/salary/can-my-employer-deduct-my-pay-for-coming-late-to-work)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 05-05-18, 07:37PM
They ain’t going to pay you for time you have not worked and if you are late unless it is down to circumstances beyond your control it’s your fault your late.
yes they are if in doubt ask a union rep or to look under wiki pages “lateness”

Follow what your Contract of Employment says ,

And please explain why Everyone should be paid for being late ?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: bobbywm on 05-05-18, 10:49PM
It's usually my fault I'm late.  Not disputing that.  Usually due to traffic on the way to work.   I just need to learn to leave the house 5 minutes earlier. 
I was just confused as to why they suddenly started docking me now.    Plus I thought you were okay with a minute here and there.    Guess not. 
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: chris9997 on 06-05-18, 12:54AM
In order for the deduction to be lawful it has to be included in your contract of employment and as it is not then it is unlawful.
The people who are trying to justify this sound like mm.
The person who said why should you get paid for not being here , well if you are late leaving you generally don't get paid for that either, and I suspect that the impact on paying for the latter far out ways the former.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: lucgeo on 06-05-18, 06:39AM
My understanding has always been, 3 mins either way, clocking late in or early out, over 3mins COULD  result in docking 0.25 which would show as minus hours. Which is unlawful anyway ???

It should go down the route for lateness, and your manager should have spoken to you first regarding this, to support your attendance and find if there is a problem in arriving/ leaving on time, and offering a possible solution should that be the case.

Have you recently changed a shift pattern? This could be why your coming up on exceptions, as your manager hasn't done a permanent amendment, and isn't doing the exceptions with the wages clerk?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: terra on 06-05-18, 08:17AM
There is nothing in the contract which allows them to deduct for lateness it should be managed through the disciplinary process
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Post by: lucgeo on 06-05-18, 10:23AM
Ok.....anyone having trouble getting online AGAIN!!! I'm locked out AGAIN!!! >:(
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 06-05-18, 05:57PM
There is nothing in the contract which allows them to deduct for lateness it should be managed through the disciplinary process

So they should pay me for being a few hours late ?
And the other thing would be ,that do we want to go down the disciplinary route  if we are fault ?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 06-05-18, 05:59PM
Ok.....anyone having trouble getting online AGAIN!!! I'm locked out AGAIN!!! >:(

wife went on last night and then this morning to print some payslips and no problem ,
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: forrestgimp on 07-05-18, 10:29AM
They ain’t going to pay you for time you have not worked and if you are late unless it is down to circumstances beyond your control it’s your fault your late.
yes they are if in doubt ask a union rep or to look under wiki pages “lateness”

Follow what your Contract of Employment says ,

And please explain why Everyone should be paid for being late ?


How do you propose to deduct 60/90 or even 120 seconds of pay from someone's salary? I ask because it's against the law to deduct more than the time that was lated.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 13-05-18, 02:34AM
If someone thinks they can be clever in playing the 30/60/120 second game they can, but can you be sure that will not stop the first time they are pulled in to be asked why they are doing it on a regular basis. Those that play that game only upset things for those that have a true reason for being late.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Welshie on 14-05-18, 04:10PM
I agree and what if you're in a department where someone can't leave till you take over , is it right that you keep someone late after their shift because you can't be bothered to make it into work on time or think you're clever getting one over on Tesco.  I think you should be deducted money if late And put through disciplinary if consistently late !
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 14-05-18, 04:47PM
If they stop pay for being 5 minutes late they should pay anybody who is 5 minutes late finishing, fair?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 14-05-18, 05:09PM
Yes that very fair ,

And i say go one further , if you are late 5 mins deduct half hour , and pay the person staying to cover your shif that half hour , after all why should someone be asked to stay longer to cover you since you cant be bothered to turn up on time ,
And add to that a automatic visit to the managers office to explain why you have turned up late , and that in your own time ,
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: alf on 14-05-18, 05:36PM
Well that is just nonsensical, employers can under certain conditions deduct pay for lateness, but that needs to form part of the employees contract, and even if it was in the contract deducting an excessive amount like that could potentially put the employee below minimum wage.

As for this lateness V staying late business.
You have a contractual obligation to be on time, there is no contractual obligation to stay late, fairness doesn't come into it.

Now, if a person and their manager decide amongst themselves that the person will stay late to make up time, fair enough, but if someone stays late with no authorization, more fool them.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 14-05-18, 07:13PM
 alf ,  if you are making a reply to what I said then read what I made a reply to ,

other wise what you said   becomes  ??? 
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: alf on 14-05-18, 07:48PM
I did read the post you replied to, it doesn't make what you said any less nonsensical or potentially illegal.

If you're wondering why I call it nonsensical, well it's for two reasons.
Firstly, deducting 30min pay for 5 min of lateness is simply excessive, secondary, if I was 5 min late and hence lost 30 minutes of pay, I'll just wait  the full 30minutes before clocking in i.e. you turn 5mins of lateness into 30 minutes.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 14-05-18, 08:12PM

you still have not read what i said  8-)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: alf on 14-05-18, 08:45PM
Which was?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: chris9997 on 14-05-18, 09:03PM
These replies regarding lateness are pointless to argue the point, deductions for lateness does not form part of the employees contract so no deduction can be made irrespective of personal views.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 15-05-18, 02:34AM
 
who has said it is part of someones contract ? not I , All I have said is I agree that if someone was to be stoped for 5 mins late then someone should get paid for 5 mins they work extra ,

also I said  ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,And i say go one further ,

 like you said it was a personel view , which I would think any one can make and yes it  cant be acted on unless it forms a part of a contract or  agreement , but like most things if we dont debate it how are we going to see how others feel about it , also why is anyone talking about what the law says or does not say ? when all we are doing is talking about how we would like things ,

Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: alf on 15-05-18, 06:25AM
Your statements may well have been personal views, they may even just be hypothetical situations based on how you "would like things".

Neither point elevates your posts above criticism.

Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 15-05-18, 12:23PM
Nonsensical, yep just that  8-)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Chojac2412 on 17-05-18, 04:45AM
Time can't be deducted for lateness, sometimes it is beyond our control due to bus being late, traffic being extra heavy etc. Time back should be agreed. However, continually being late can form part of the disciplinary process and this applies to all, managers and colleagues.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nightslave on 17-05-18, 07:02AM
Its been nearly 6 weeks and I am still waiting for a code to view both my last payslips. After repeated requests to wages and other manager's it is going nowhere.  What else can I do? Will be going to citizens advice later to get their option.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 17-05-18, 06:26PM
If you scroll up to page 7 then you could try the number given by Vanila24.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: pitdiver on 18-05-18, 03:04PM
I am also one of those employees who is still having trouble trying to view my wage slips on line. I rang the number mentioned above, all they did was refer me to my store because according to them the store was advised of a new activation code on the 1st May.

My wife is also a Tosco employee and she hasn't yet received her  P60. In her case it's critical that she gets it as she has complex tax matters.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 18-05-18, 06:53PM
If that's what they told you, and you have asked your store, and they have not got it then have you got back on the phone to tell them ?
As to complex tax matters  8-) The tax office have all the details that are on your P60 form, they only give it to us so we have a copy.

Log on on-line, and set up your own view to see not only what your tax code is, also to see how much tax NI you have paid not only last year but every year since you started to work.  You say she has not got her P60 that I think should have been given to her at the store.

This is also a very good way to see how you are doing in your NI payments that will show what you will get for you pension.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: tumshie on 18-05-18, 07:48PM
Your final payslip for the tax year has the same info as on the P60 - total income and total tax paid for the year.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: cindyboo on 21-05-18, 04:25PM
For those who keep asking your payclerks to send for new activation  code  who will you go to when pay clerks are no more ?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 21-05-18, 07:11PM

someone will be given the job to sort it,

and then we will still have the phone number to ring ,

Then in Express we have the S/M or team leaders that are doing it ,

And in the other store again someone will be asked to step in,

And as we have seen the problem will become less and less of a issue ,
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Chojac2412 on 22-05-18, 10:03AM
The wages clerk has a list of codes for those who have never signed up. One colleague I work with could not sign up. I helped her and with this code it took just a few mins. If you have already signed up and can't get back in that is a different matter. You then have to ask wages clerk to send away for a code that will arrive through the post to your address and you have 28 days, after 28 days if not activated you will need to send for another code. It's the same for the codes for those not signed up yet. They reset every 28 days but I think 28 days from pay day.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Jambo1874 on 23-05-18, 07:55AM
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That is correct.  It takes about 2 weeks to arrive as it comes from India.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Notalot on 31-05-18, 10:49AM
I activated my online payslip 3 months ago.
Today i tried to login ,and behold i was asked for my activation code again.

Ok-fair enough ,entered code and it no longer works.
I am now locked out after multiple failed logins ??.

Anyone else having problems logging in today ?.

Funny thing is i read my P60 online via the payview website 3 days ago.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: fatboy on 31-05-18, 10:53AM
Can't believe this thread is still running!! Never once had a problem with logging in.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Cazcat on 31-05-18, 10:56AM
Cant get in today either.  Same as last month. Just too buzy round pay day.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: carlh on 31-05-18, 11:22AM
I've been trying for well over an hour too. Regarding waste paper,try reducing waste when you print a label off.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GreenGrocer on 31-05-18, 11:28AM
Got on a few hours ago.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 31-05-18, 11:59AM
I activated my online payslip 3 months ago.
Today i tried to login ,and behold i was asked for my activation code again.

Ok-fair enough ,entered code and it no longer works.
I am now locked out after multiple failed logins ??.

Anyone else having problems logging in today ?.

Funny thing is i read my P60 online via the payview website 3 days ago.

Wife has loged in this morning at about 2 am  ??? 8-) and again at 9 to print off the slip said it was a bit slow but other wise no problems  :)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: fatboy on 31-05-18, 12:11PM
I had no problems either & never have. Always log on on Thursday morning & get straight in.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: arlo on 31-05-18, 12:36PM
sorry to hijack thread but how do i start a new topic ?

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Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 31-05-18, 01:02PM
First become a paid member, only a few £ then you can  :)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 31-05-18, 07:39PM
Membership of VLH is free, however those members who donate to the running costs receive a few extra benefits as a thank you.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: austerfan on 01-06-18, 01:40AM
Hi everyone.
Have you already been paid?
My bank is Lloyds and I always get paid after midnight but it's 1:40 and still waiting...
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: bobbywm on 01-06-18, 02:39AM
Just checked.  2:40am   here.  I've been paid..      try again...
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: The-shelf-filler on 01-06-18, 06:27AM
Hi everyone.
Have you already been paid?
My bank is Lloyds and I always get paid after midnight but it's 1:40 and still waiting...
They have given me your wages this month for all the times I've helped you :)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: skazinski on 01-06-18, 11:03AM
When I view the payslip online, it says I need to reactivate my account? My older activation code did not work (from last month) Do I have to request another paper payslip? Are they once a month?
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: tumshie on 01-06-18, 04:06PM
Pay is every 4 weeks. There are no paper payslips now.
Speak to your wages clerk about how to get into your account.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: forrestgimp on 01-06-18, 08:28PM
Yes that very fair ,

And i say go one further , if you are late 5 mins deduct half hour , and pay the person staying to cover your shif that half hour , after all why should someone be asked to stay longer to cover you since you cant be bothered to turn up on time ,
And add to that a automatic visit to the managers office to explain why you have turned up late , and that in your own time ,

That's illegal though and I would lay a huge bet that the once you are late because of something coming up unexpectedly and you got your money docked by some ridiculous arbitrary amount dreamt up by a numpty on the internet this website would be one of the first places you would moan.

Having said that I though the discussion was about deducting money not the rights or wrongs of people being late, there are ways and means of dealing with persistent lateness without stealing money from them and lets be clear here wage theft is a very real thing and should not be accepted by anyone.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GreenGrocer on 01-06-18, 08:52PM
The Managers are constantly messing up wages. What is so hard about hourly paid colleagues.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 01-06-18, 10:21PM
Yes that very fair ,

And i say go one further , if you are late 5 mins deduct half hour , and pay the person staying to cover your shif that half hour , after all why should someone be asked to stay longer to cover you since you cant be bothered to turn up on time ,
And add to that a automatic visit to the managers office to explain why you have turned up late , and that in your own time ,

That's illegal though and I would lay a huge bet that the once you are late because of something coming up unexpectedly and you got your money docked by some ridiculous arbitrary amount dreamt up by a numpty on the internet this website would be one of the first places you would moan.

Having said that I though the discussion was about deducting money not the rights or wrongs of people being late, there are ways and means of dealing with persistent lateness without stealing money from them and lets be clear here wage theft is a very real thing and should not be accepted by anyone.

And i was under the opinion that calling others numpty was not what this site was all about  :(, then again what i said was again only a opinion which again some think we are not allowed to make  8-)
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: chris9997 on 02-06-18, 10:37AM
What ever the rights and wrongs of someone being late, deductions are still illegal for anyone a few minutes late the impact would be minimal as opposed to someone being half an hour late, it is still illegal to deduct. if they allowed it to be legal then it should be made compulsory to pay overtime to the people who stay late.

A lot of retailers would not like this as I believe the late stayers far outnumber the lateness staff, and would cost them considerably more.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GreenGrocer on 02-06-18, 12:38PM
My TM would make deductions of 15mins if you clocked out 5 mins early regardless if you started 10 mins early or worked through part of your unpaid break. Now it has been changed to if you are late you will get paid as normal but owe them time.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Welshie on 02-06-18, 03:11PM
But if you're consistently late but it's only by 2 or 3 minutes do you really think that time is made up ?? But if you're keeping someone from going home on time they are not getting paid the 2 or 3 minutes almost everyday , then they need to come up with a better system !
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 02-06-18, 05:46PM
They fit a transponder in everybody and they are paid for every minute they are in the building  :D
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: dizzy_1 on 02-06-18, 10:15PM
Nomad don't give them ideas !!!!
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Welshie on 02-06-18, 11:30PM
I like that idea or ankle tags like prisoners ??
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Chojac2412 on 03-06-18, 08:59AM
But if you're consistently late but it's only by 2 or 3 minutes do you really think that time is made up ?? But if you're keeping someone from going home on time they are not getting paid the 2 or 3 minutes almost everyday , then they need to come up with a better system !

Being constantly late is a potential disciplinary, as its paid. It should also be agreed time back as staying late is not always the right option. If the bus is late or the roads are extra busy etc it's paid as you can't help that. However, if it is an ongoing issue it needs to be sorted. We all know people who do this all the time. They keep us waiting for breaks, they keep us waiting when it's busy and we need that extra pair of hands. I think it's disrespect towards the people you work with. Those that often turn in those few mins late often then clock as soon as they hit the building and spend ten mins putting bag in locker. I'm for one glad that this is at last being addressed.
Going home early is different, that can be docked. There are people who stand at machine and wait to clock out. This also needs to be managed but in a different way. The thing I hate most is people who say they have not had a break so can go home early. This should be special circumstances only. I know of a few who do this but still take the breaks.
From the looks of things it would seem that time is going to be seen as theft. If you are being paid for time you are not in the business it is theft. It's not a perk, it's not big and clever to try and cheat the system is disrespectful to those you work with and its theft and I know I'm far from being the only one to welcome this change and if it does start going down the disciplinary route it's about time.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Nomad on 03-06-18, 12:33PM
Is it not also theft then if  staff are late being relieved off a till ?  or any other matter/incident that delays the employee's departure.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: notsofunny on 03-06-18, 09:14PM
It is theft , So does 2 thefts make it better  :question:
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Welshie on 03-06-18, 09:46PM
Theft aside. My point was that if stock control, merchandisers etc walk in a few minutes late regularly , it only effects them and making time up at end of shift is fine but if it's counters , tills , PFS etc it effects other people and if it's a daily thing needs to be dealt with effectively so that it doesn't impact on other people . One solution doesn't always work for every department .
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: forrestgimp on 04-06-18, 10:45AM
Is it not also theft then if  staff are late being relieved off a till ?  or any other matter/incident that delays the employee's departure.

Not theft but they should be paid if they are doing extra time if not in money in extra break time, staying for 5 mins take 5 mins extra.

I dont think time theft is a thing yet.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Duracell on 27-06-18, 12:28PM
Lateness deductions, can be Faciltated in your contract and be legal, however it can make things very complicated.

Not sure about Retail but I have recently read a communication to Distribution that the company will no longer deduct pay for lateness. Individuals will be conduct managed and arrangements to payback time will be made.

Realistically this approach is a better deterrent to abusers. If the company insists the contractual amount of hours are honoured abusers are less likely to abuse.

So if you were late 20mins before, knew you were going to be minus 30mins then you start 10 mins after you arrive, then there is nothing owed, hardly a deterrent.
Having to work the hours owed regardless is more inconvenient to the abuser hence a better deterrent.

It is also better for the business as lateness stays productive as you HAVE to pay back the time where as minusing pay meant that planned hours were missing.

100 people are late 15 minutes and minused the time is 25 missing hours which if the cover it at O/T rate is increased cost for the same amount of hours.

So working time back is a better deterrent, less complicated and more cost effective.

As for leaving late. If you do so adopt the same mentality insist on the time back, the president is now set by them lost time must now be replaced.

It’s not hard it’s quite simple, and beneficial if both you and your Manager understand the principle the company have set.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Critchly on 27-06-18, 01:51PM
Not sure about Retail but I have recently read a communication to Distribution that the company will no longer deduct pay for lateness. Individuals will be conduct managed and arrangements to payback time will be made.

Realistically this approach is a better deterrent
Can someone please confirm and or point me in the direction of where I can get a hold of proof, tesco stores have also changed to this policy.

I have worked for tesco for years and in recent years other commitments outside of work ment I couldn't always get to work on time. Most of the time it's only 1-5 min late, BUT I have always worked it back on the same shift.

This was fine and over looked by my previous manager, because I always worked it back. However my new manager (who doesn't seem to like me) has pushed for disaplinary due to lateness, even though over the time period in question I worked over 2 hours overtime working it back (1 min here + 3min their etc.)

So any help confirming this would be appreciated.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: GreenGrocer on 27-06-18, 02:37PM
Critchly tell your manager to stop being a pr**k.
Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Me2015 on 27-06-18, 05:05PM
Yup, no docking or making the time back now, any lateness managed through disciplinary process ie misconduct

Title: Re: End paper payslips
Post by: Critchly on 27-06-18, 06:36PM
So I take it that the post above was just for the distribution centre.
Any idea when the rules changed about docking and working back because no one at my store has been told it has changed.

Plus isn't their a leeway of a few minutes of when you have to clock in. It was 5 min and I thought they lowered it to 3 min.

Would just like to know where exactly I stand on this cos it hasn't been a problem for the last 4 years.
Only since this new manager started.